Re: D/FW Academy Leagues

by tigerdad 15/02/12, 10:49 am

Androfan wrote:

No one can deny their are clubs out there that will take anyone's money and hand them a uniform, place on a team, and form a team when all that team is is a glorified rec team.

This is the hard truth. If you watch many of these younger academy teams, you see 1-2 exceptional players surrounded by a group of players that might be better suited to getting the touches in a smaller-sided rec environment. I do like to see kids playing both as there is value in both up to a certain age.

by BackDraft 15/02/12, 11:18 am

Now we are getting somewhere. I am not the anti-christ of soccer. I just want people to know the route that is being set in front of you. Is not the only way to high level soccer.

#1 thing is to keep the game pure and that let the kids love it and learn it. It doesn't have to be micro managed to the point where it has fee for everything about it.

Yes make some extra money working with youth is fine.

But please don't make it a ponzi system.

by Seven 15/02/12, 11:51 am

BackDraft wrote:Now we are getting somewhere. I am not the anti-christ of soccer. I just want people to know the route that is being set in front of you. Is not the only way to high level soccer.#1 thing is to keep the game pure and that let the kids love it and learn it. It doesn't have to be micro managed to the point where it has fee for everything about it.

Yes make some extra money working with youth is fine.

But please don't make it a ponzi system.

Ok you try to take your Rec team or Rec player right to select when they are of age. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you.

by Guest 15/02/12, 12:05 pm

Seven wrote:
BackDraft wrote:Now we are getting somewhere. I am not the anti-christ of soccer. I just want people to know the route that is being set in front of you. Is not the only way to high level soccer.#1 thing is to keep the game pure and that let the kids love it and learn it. It doesn't have to be micro managed to the point where it has fee for everything about it.

Yes make some extra money working with youth is fine.

But please don't make it a ponzi system.

Ok you try to take your Rec team or Rec player right to select when they are of age. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you.

Seven - I think you are missing the point. Academy has gotten just too watered down. Look at the latest thread - Solar East 07---07?! WOW. These girls should be playing rec. and I think it is criminal of clubs to take advantage of parents by supporting such young teams. A line has to be drawn at some point. I am not sure of how many teams are out there in each of the age groups, but I do know that it is WAY to many, that is why there is such a big gap between the top 3-4 teams in the respected age group and all that fall below. Each team that fall in the latter gap have maybe 4 "quality" players, then players that have no business playing at the level they are playing. But all the clubs see is $$$$$. What a shame!

by Itsme 15/02/12, 12:10 pm

Over the Top wrote:
Seven wrote:
BackDraft wrote:Now we are getting somewhere. I am not the anti-christ of soccer. I just want people to know the route that is being set in front of you. Is not the only way to high level soccer.#1 thing is to keep the game pure and that let the kids love it and learn it. It doesn't have to be micro managed to the point where it has fee for everything about it.

Yes make some extra money working with youth is fine.

But please don't make it a ponzi system.

Ok you try to take your Rec team or Rec player right to select when they are of age. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you.

Seven - I think you are missing the point. Academy has gotten just too watered down. Look at the latest thread - Solar East 07---07?! WOW. These girls should be playing rec. and I think it is criminal of clubs to take advantage of parents by supporting such young teams. A line has to be drawn at some point. I am not sure of how many teams are out there in each of the age groups, d]]but I do know[/u] that it is WAY to many, that is why there is such a big gap between the top 3-4 teams in the respected age group and all that fall below. Each team that fall in the latter gap have maybe 4 "quality" players, then players that have no business playing at the level they are playing. But all the clubs see is $$$$$. What a shame!

How do you know that and what is your basis for truly knowing?

And why not? Based on what criteria? Who gets to play soccer god-judge and make that decision if it's not the parents?

by Guest 15/02/12, 12:12 pm

How do I know? I've watched the games. Sorry if the truth hurts!

by Itsme 15/02/12, 12:18 pm

Over the Top wrote:How do I know? I've watched the games. Sorry if the truth hurts!

Funny. I didn't realize you had conducted such extensive research into the matter. Clearly, you do know with absolute certainty. Still trying to find the truth here or why it would be remotely painful. What is crystal clear here is that ignorance is bliss.

by Guest 15/02/12, 12:26 pm

Itsme wrote:
Over the Top wrote:How do I know? I've watched the games. Sorry if the truth hurts!

Funny. I didn't realize you had conducted such extensive research into the matter. Clearly, you do know with absolute certainty. Still trying to find the truth here or why it would be remotely painful. What is crystal clear here is that ignorance is bliss.

Carry On!!

by my2cents 15/02/12, 01:00 pm

Seven wrote:
BackDraft wrote:Now we are getting somewhere. I am not the anti-christ of soccer. I just want people to know the route that is being set in front of you. Is not the only way to high level soccer.#1 thing is to keep the game pure and that let the kids love it and learn it. It doesn't have to be micro managed to the point where it has fee for everything about it.

Yes make some extra money working with youth is fine.

But please don't make it a ponzi system.

Ok you try to take your Rec team or Rec player right to select when they are of age. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you.

Ok. I did on the boys side . He is regional ODP, Team captain on a top CL D1 team, All District HS freshman and Sophamore years ( a junior now). All rec until U11.

by angrydog 15/02/12, 01:02 pm

my2cents wrote:
Seven wrote:
BackDraft wrote:Now we are getting somewhere. I am not the anti-christ of soccer. I just want people to know the route that is being set in front of you. Is not the only way to high level soccer.#1 thing is to keep the game pure and that let the kids love it and learn it. It doesn't have to be micro managed to the point where it has fee for everything about it.

Yes make some extra money working with youth is fine.

But please don't make it a ponzi system.

Ok you try to take your Rec team or Rec player right to select when they are of age. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you.

Ok. I did on the boys side . He is regional ODP, Team captain on a top CL D1 team, All District HS freshman and Sophamore years ( a junior now). All rec until U11.

I hope he's a better speller than you!

by Guest 15/02/12, 01:02 pm

my2cents wrote:
Seven wrote:
BackDraft wrote:Now we are getting somewhere. I am not the anti-christ of soccer. I just want people to know the route that is being set in front of you. Is not the only way to high level soccer.#1 thing is to keep the game pure and that let the kids love it and learn it. It doesn't have to be micro managed to the point where it has fee for everything about it.

Yes make some extra money working with youth is fine.

But please don't make it a ponzi system.

Ok you try to take your Rec team or Rec player right to select when they are of age. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you.

Ok. I did on the boys side . He is regional ODP, Team captain on a top CL D1 team, All District HS freshman and Sophamore years ( a junior now). All rec until U11.

AMEN!

by Seven 15/02/12, 01:10 pm

my2cents wrote:
Seven wrote:
BackDraft wrote:Now we are getting somewhere. I am not the anti-christ of soccer. I just want people to know the route that is being set in front of you. Is not the only way to high level soccer.#1 thing is to keep the game pure and that let the kids love it and learn it. It doesn't have to be micro managed to the point where it has fee for everything about it.

Yes make some extra money working with youth is fine.

But please don't make it a ponzi system.

Ok you try to take your Rec team or Rec player right to select when they are of age. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you.

Ok. I did on the boys side . He is regional ODP, Team captain on a top CL D1 team, All District HS freshman and Sophamore years ( a junior now). All rec until U11.

OK you have overwhelmed me with a wealth of evidence. A broken clock is right twice a day

by BackDraft 15/02/12, 01:16 pm

Seven wrote:
BackDraft wrote:Now we are getting somewhere. I am not the anti-christ of soccer. I just want people to know the route that is being set in front of you. Is not the only way to high level soccer.#1 thing is to keep the game pure and that let the kids love it and learn it. It doesn't have to be micro managed to the point where it has fee for everything about it.

Yes make some extra money working with youth is fine.

But please don't make it a ponzi system.

Ok you try to take your Rec team or Rec player right to select when they are of age. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you.

We have and it worked out just fine for us. Actually she was tons better than most that had been in Academy for a few years. I just worked with her on a few key things and then just stepped back. She learned most everything else by herself or her peers. Isn't that a novel concept.

The only thing she ever learned from a academy coach was how to be on time for the games and practice. Well I can't say that is the only thing. She learned alot of tactical things for him. Just about everything else was just watching soccer being played. At all different levels. Believe this or not I would say there are many that are just playing school yard soccer that can't afford the academy soccer. That would be able to step right onto a select soccer team and do fairly well.

Wait a minute...Your right the academy players always do much better in select than the ones that don't train in academy. lol!

Plain and simple the academy programs are based on what parents don't know! Do you really think it is that hard to teach the basic soccer skills to children and let them master them before you move on to the tactical and technical bs that are needed to win some overrated league. The truth is most of our youth lack mastery of basic skills. Due to the pressure of winning leagues.

My take would be let them train with academy programs with qualified coaches and play rec games on the weekends. And at u-12 or u-13 let them go select. It would be less wasteful to them and parents. Clubs would start having better soccer players as a result.

No wait a minute your way is the best way! lol!

by oldboot 15/02/12, 01:32 pm

We are running an experiment in our home. One daugther plays academy, practices 2xs a week, often plays 2 games on Saturday and attends private skills training on Sundays. The other daughter plays rec soccer for the Strawberry Shortcakes, which is coached by a nuturing dad who provides useful strategies such as "kick-it" and "run". However, daughter #2 is also spending 3 hours a day watching the Fox Soccer Channel. I'll report back in a couple of years with the results.

by Guest 15/02/12, 01:34 pm

oldboot wrote:We are running an experiment in our home. One daugther plays academy, practices 2xs a week, often plays 2 games on Saturday and attends private skills training on Sundays. The other daughter plays rec soccer for the Strawberry Shortcakes, which is coached by a nuturing dad who provides useful strategies such as "kick-it" and "run". However, daughter #2 is also spending 3 hours a day watching the Fox Soccer Channel. I'll report back in a couple of years with the results.

Please tell me they are twins... I will feel more confident about the results. Very Happy

by my2cents 15/02/12, 01:56 pm

Seven wrote:
my2cents wrote:
Seven wrote:
BackDraft wrote:Now we are getting somewhere. I am not the anti-christ of soccer. I just want people to know the route that is being set in front of you. Is not the only way to high level soccer.#1 thing is to keep the game pure and that let the kids love it and learn it. It doesn't have to be micro managed to the point where it has fee for everything about it.

Yes make some extra money working with youth is fine.

But please don't make it a ponzi system.

Ok you try to take your Rec team or Rec player right to select when they are of age. Get back to me and let me know how that works out for you.

Ok. I did on the boys side . He is regional ODP, Team captain on a top CL D1 team, All District HS freshman and Sophamore years ( a junior now). All rec until U11.
OK you have overwhelmed me with a wealth of evidence. A broken clock is right twice a day

I really don't think the average kid needs a professional coach from 5 to 9 years old or their whole soccer career is lost. I have seen exactly what BD says. Kid with alot of skill on the ball and no team experience at all step in at 12-14 years old and be up to or past everyone in one year. Why? That player is used to getting out in the yard on their own or with friends and has developed a touch, a love of the game and the will and ability to practice and develop on their own. Where is your wealth of evedence it won't work? Your coach that you pay told you?

by angrydog 15/02/12, 02:38 pm

oldboot wrote:We are running an experiment in our home. One daugther plays academy, practices 2xs a week, often plays 2 games on Saturday and attends private skills training on Sundays. The other daughter plays rec soccer for the Strawberry Shortcakes, which is coached by a nuturing dad who provides useful strategies such as "kick-it" and "run". However, daughter #2 is also spending 3 hours a day watching the Fox Soccer Channel. I'll report back in a couple of years with the results.

Do you love one of them more than the other?

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