'02 FBR Rankings - 06-04-12

BWGophers, I think you filter them out of FBR rankings but the top 03 teams are becoming a force in the 02 bracket as they play more often in the 02s tournaments. Can you say where the top five 03 teams would rank in the 02 bracket or is that something that is too hard to figure out?

javajake wrote:BWGophers, I think you filter them out of FBR rankings but the top 03 teams are becoming a force in the 02 bracket as they play more often in the 02s tournaments. Can you say where the top five 03 teams would rank in the 02 bracket or is that something that is too hard to figure out?

Really. How about the top 03's play the top 02's and see who would be on top. Their is only ONE 03 team that can compete in the 02's and we know who that is. The other would be destroyed.

RedLine wrote:

javajake wrote:BWGophers, I think you filter them out of FBR rankings but the top 03 teams are becoming a force in the 02 bracket as they play more often in the 02s tournaments. Can you say where the top five 03 teams would rank in the 02 bracket or is that something that is too hard to figure out?

Really. How about the top 03's play the top 02's and see who would be on top. Their is only ONE 03 team that can compete in the 02's and we know who that is. The other would be destroyed.

Destroyed? Strong words. The only 02 team that would destroy all 03 teams is your team FCD Grubb. The top 4 03 teams Sting, Fever, Texans South, and Missimo would compete well including against the Higg 02 team. They may not win but they would not get destroyed either. Very arrogant or ignorant of you to say that.

Joan Of Arc wrote:

RedLine wrote:

javajake wrote:BWGophers, I think you filter them out of FBR rankings but the top 03 teams are becoming a force in the 02 bracket as they play more often in the 02s tournaments. Can you say where the top five 03 teams would rank in the 02 bracket or is that something that is too hard to figure out?

Really. How about the top 03's play the top 02's and see who would be on top. Their is only ONE 03 team that can compete in the 02's and we know who that is. The other would be destroyed.

Destroyed? Strong words. The only 02 team that would destroy all 03 teams is your team FCD Grubb. The top 4 03 teams Sting, Fever, Texans South, and Missimo would compete well including against the Higg 02 team. They may not win but they would not get destroyed either. Very arrogant or ignorant of you to say that.

as is often, the truth is somewhere in the middle. what is destroyed?? it makes me think 10-0. i think the top 03s are better than that against the top 02s BUT NO the top 03s would not compete too well against Higg, as specifically mentioned, and the others. so what does "compete" mean vs "destroyed"? it means the 03s would give them a game but the loss would be definitive (meaning not within 3 or 4 goals)

javajake wrote:BWGophers, I think you filter them out of FBR rankings but the top 03 teams are becoming a force in the 02 bracket as they play more often in the 02s tournaments. Can you say where the top five 03 teams would rank in the 02 bracket or is that something that is too hard to figure out?

This is where the '03's that have played up against '02's this Spring would slot in the current '02 FBR Rankings. (keep in mind this is based solely on games played against '02 teams)...

#8 - SRSA
#15 - DT South
#27 - Sting Scarfone
#33 - Sting West Davis
#36 - Juve Black
#39 - Sting Mendoza
#55 - Cosmos Black
#58 - Polaris Curiel
#63 - Sparta FC
#76 - Liverpool Whelan

This isn't too dramatically different from where the top '02 teams slotted in with the '01's last year.

DT Higgy (at that time still Rowdies '02) was around #15.
FCD Grubb and SRSA (at that time still Kat Webb's team) were in the 20-25 range.

bwgophers wrote:

javajake wrote:BWGophers, I think you filter them out of FBR rankings but the top 03 teams are becoming a force in the 02 bracket as they play more often in the 02s tournaments. Can you say where the top five 03 teams would rank in the 02 bracket or is that something that is too hard to figure out?

This is where the '03's that have played up against '02's this Spring would slot in the current '02 FBR Rankings. (keep in mind this is based solely on games played against '02 teams)...

#8 - SRSA
#15 - DT South
#27 - Sting Scarfone
#33 - Sting West Davis
#36 - Juve Black
#39 - Sting Mendoza
#55 - Cosmos Black
#58 - Polaris Curiel
#63 - Sparta FC
#76 - Liverpool Whelan

This isn't too dramatically different from where the top '02 teams slotted in with the '01's last year.

DT Higgy (at that time still Rowdies '02) was around #15.
FCD Grubb and SRSA (at that time still Kat Webb's team) were in the 20-25 range.

Makes sense although hard for some people to swallow. Best couple teams in an age bracket beat most teams in year above them. Best 02 teams beat most 01's. Best 03 teams beat most 02's.

bwgophers wrote:

javajake wrote:BWGophers, I think you filter them out of FBR rankings but the top 03 teams are becoming a force in the 02 bracket as they play more often in the 02s tournaments. Can you say where the top five 03 teams would rank in the 02 bracket or is that something that is too hard to figure out?

This is where the '03's that have played up against '02's this Spring would slot in the current '02 FBR Rankings. (keep in mind this is based solely on games played against '02 teams)...

#8 - SRSA
#15 - DT South
#27 - Sting Scarfone
#33 - Sting West Davis
#36 - Juve Black
#39 - Sting Mendoza
#55 - Cosmos Black
#58 - Polaris Curiel
#63 - Sparta FC
#76 - Liverpool Whelan

This isn't too dramatically different from where the top '02 teams slotted in with the '01's last year.

DT Higgy (at that time still Rowdies '02) was around #15.
FCD Grubb and SRSA (at that time still Kat Webb's team) were in the 20-25 range.

as usual, gophers and his data mine are pretty accurate. i can support this with a bit of personal experience. prior to tgpl FA11 and SP12, fever played up the seasons before (FA10 / SP11) in primetime against decent but not top 01 teams, in addition to a few 01 tournaments. at the time fever was a top 5 02 team so if the rowdies are speculated by gophers data to be #15 01 ranked and webb 20-25, lets just say fever would have been 30 for example. the highest ranked 01 fever ever beat was 25. they won some / lost some ranked over that and once they played outside the top 35-40 they typically won. on one occasion they got mixed up with the duker's (then ranked #7 fusion navy 01s) a few year ago and it was a humbling experience. pride meet ground.

i know the rowdies played up alot and i cant speak specifically about their experience but i assume it to be proportionately similar. i do know on one occasion they played coach e's solar 01s ranked #10 and lost so i suspect they never beat a top 10.

i think there will always be great players that can play up with success as individuals as one of 11 and great teams that can have some success playing up against many teams. but in this case, whoever brought this up, we are talking about the best of the best a whole year older. there are obviously some size and speed differences, but the year of experience is a huge factor. so on a team for team basis the ability to use space and the rate at which it opens and closes, ability to win 50/50s, etc. ultimately is not equal.

now before you go labeling me as an 03 hater, i'm not. that is not the point of this post. there are some great 03 teams and next year somebody will be raising the same issues with the 04s and how they can take down the top 03s. basically chipping in to support gophers numbers that are always questioned but ultimately right on spot.

bobmac15 wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

javajake wrote:BWGophers, I think you filter them out of FBR rankings but the top 03 teams are becoming a force in the 02 bracket as they play more often in the 02s tournaments. Can you say where the top five 03 teams would rank in the 02 bracket or is that something that is too hard to figure out?

This is where the '03's that have played up against '02's this Spring would slot in the current '02 FBR Rankings. (keep in mind this is based solely on games played against '02 teams)...

#8 - SRSA
#15 - DT South
#27 - Sting Scarfone
#33 - Sting West Davis
#36 - Juve Black
#39 - Sting Mendoza
#55 - Cosmos Black
#58 - Polaris Curiel
#63 - Sparta FC
#76 - Liverpool Whelan

This isn't too dramatically different from where the top '02 teams slotted in with the '01's last year.

DT Higgy (at that time still Rowdies '02) was around #15.
FCD Grubb and SRSA (at that time still Kat Webb's team) were in the 20-25 range.

as usual, gophers and his data mine are pretty accurate. i can support this with a bit of personal experience. prior to tgpl FA11 and SP12, fever played up the seasons before (FA10 / SP11) in primetime against decent but not top 01 teams, in addition to a few 01 tournaments. at the time fever was a top 5 02 team so if the rowdies are speculated by gophers data to be #15 01 ranked and webb 20-25, lets just say fever would have been 30 for example. the highest ranked 01 fever ever beat was 25. they won some / lost some ranked over that and once they played outside the top 35-40 they typically won. on one occasion they got mixed up with the duker's (then ranked #7 fusion navy 01s) a few year ago and it was a humbling experience. pride meet ground.

i know the rowdies played up alot and i cant speak specifically about their experience but i assume it to be proportionately similar. i do know on one occasion they played coach e's solar 01s ranked #10 and lost so i suspect they never beat a top 10.

i think there will always be great players that can play up with success as individuals as one of 11 and great teams that can have some success playing up against many teams. but in this case, whoever brought this up, we are talking about the best of the best a whole year older. there are obviously some size and speed differences, but the year of experience is a huge factor. so on a team for team basis the ability to use space and the rate at which it opens and closes, ability to win 50/50s, etc. ultimately is not equal.

now before you go labeling me as an 03 hater, i'm not. that is not the point of this post. there are some great 03 teams and next year somebody will be raising the same issues with the 04s and how they can take down the top 03s. basically chipping in to support gophers numbers that are always questioned but ultimately right on spot.

Looks about right to me also....but I think SRSA 03 is ranked a little low. As for the 02's playing up....their hasn't been a bunch that I remember. Besides what you posted about Fever playing up.

Rowdies 02(Texans Higg)- played last spring up against 01's and I believe had a win against TFC Guzman(5th place in LH D1).
Texans Higg 02 also played against 01's in the Lonestar Jr ECNL down in Austin and did ok: Higg 1-0 over Lonestar(Austin) 01 and Higg 0-3 loss to Grubb 01(2nd in Div 1 LH).

FCD Grubb also played in the Lonestar Jr ECNL tourny against 01's with the following results: Grubb 2-1 over Defeeters 01(8th in Div 1 LH) and Grubb 5-0 over Lonestar(Houston) 01.
FCD Grubb also played this past weekend against 01's in PT Tourny:
FCD Grubb 3-0 over Kicks East 01(7th in Div3 LH)
FCD Grubb 8-0 FCD White(3rd in Div 1 Plano)
FCD Grubb 6-0 Solar Gold(2nd Div 2 Plano)
FCD Grubb 2-0 Kick East(Final)

I'm not aware of any other 02's playing up, but I'm sure they have.
Have any of the other top 03 teams besides SRSA ever beaten a top 10 02 team?

RoidRage wrote:

bobmac15 wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

javajake wrote:BWGophers, I think you filter them out of FBR rankings but the top 03 teams are becoming a force in the 02 bracket as they play more often in the 02s tournaments. Can you say where the top five 03 teams would rank in the 02 bracket or is that something that is too hard to figure out?

This is where the '03's that have played up against '02's this Spring would slot in the current '02 FBR Rankings. (keep in mind this is based solely on games played against '02 teams)...

#8 - SRSA
#15 - DT South
#27 - Sting Scarfone
#33 - Sting West Davis
#36 - Juve Black
#39 - Sting Mendoza
#55 - Cosmos Black
#58 - Polaris Curiel
#63 - Sparta FC
#76 - Liverpool Whelan

This isn't too dramatically different from where the top '02 teams slotted in with the '01's last year.

DT Higgy (at that time still Rowdies '02) was around #15.
FCD Grubb and SRSA (at that time still Kat Webb's team) were in the 20-25 range.

as usual, gophers and his data mine are pretty accurate. i can support this with a bit of personal experience. prior to tgpl FA11 and SP12, fever played up the seasons before (FA10 / SP11) in primetime against decent but not top 01 teams, in addition to a few 01 tournaments. at the time fever was a top 5 02 team so if the rowdies are speculated by gophers data to be #15 01 ranked and webb 20-25, lets just say fever would have been 30 for example. the highest ranked 01 fever ever beat was 25. they won some / lost some ranked over that and once they played outside the top 35-40 they typically won. on one occasion they got mixed up with the duker's (then ranked #7 fusion navy 01s) a few year ago and it was a humbling experience. pride meet ground.

i know the rowdies played up alot and i cant speak specifically about their experience but i assume it to be proportionately similar. i do know on one occasion they played coach e's solar 01s ranked #10 and lost so i suspect they never beat a top 10.

i think there will always be great players that can play up with success as individuals as one of 11 and great teams that can have some success playing up against many teams. but in this case, whoever brought this up, we are talking about the best of the best a whole year older. there are obviously some size and speed differences, but the year of experience is a huge factor. so on a team for team basis the ability to use space and the rate at which it opens and closes, ability to win 50/50s, etc. ultimately is not equal.

now before you go labeling me as an 03 hater, i'm not. that is not the point of this post. there are some great 03 teams and next year somebody will be raising the same issues with the 04s and how they can take down the top 03s. basically chipping in to support gophers numbers that are always questioned but ultimately right on spot.

Looks about right to me also....but I think SRSA 03 is ranked a little low. As for the 02's playing up....their hasn't been a bunch that I remember. Besides what you posted about Fever playing up.

Rowdies 02(Texans Higg)- played last spring up against 01's and I believe had a win against TFC Guzman(5th place in LH D1).
Texans Higg 02 also played against 01's in the Lonestar Jr ECNL down in Austin and did ok: Higg 1-0 over Lonestar(Austin) 01 and Higg 0-3 loss to Grubb 01(2nd in Div 1 LH).

FCD Grubb also played in the Lonestar Jr ECNL tourny against 01's with the following results: Grubb 2-1 over Defeeters 01(8th in Div 1 LH) and Grubb 5-0 over Lonestar(Houston) 01.
FCD Grubb also played this past weekend against 01's in PT Tourny:
FCD Grubb 3-0 over Kicks East 01(7th in Div3 LH)
FCD Grubb 8-0 FCD White(3rd in Div 1 Plano)
FCD Grubb 6-0 Solar Gold(2nd Div 2 Plano)
FCD Grubb 2-0 Kick East(Final)

I'm not aware of any other 02's playing up, but I'm sure they have.
Have any of the other top 03 teams besides SRSA ever beaten a top 10 02 team?

DTS03 beat TFC02 Elite 4-1 in EAL Gold this past spring.

bobmac15 wrote:as usual, gophers and his data mine are pretty accurate. i can support this with a bit of personal experience. prior to tgpl FA11 and SP12, fever played up the seasons before (FA10 / SP11) in primetime against decent but not top 01 teams, in addition to a few 01 tournaments. at the time fever was a top 5 02 team so if the rowdies are speculated by gophers data to be #15 01 ranked and webb 20-25, lets just say fever would have been 30 for example. the highest ranked 01 fever ever beat was 25. they won some / lost some ranked over that and once they played outside the top 35-40 they typically won. on one occasion they got mixed up with the duker's (then ranked #7 fusion navy 01s) a few year ago and it was a humbling experience. pride meet ground.

i know the rowdies played up alot and i cant speak specifically about their experience but i assume it to be proportionately similar. i do know on one occasion they played coach e's solar 01s ranked #10 and lost so i suspect they never beat a top 10.

i think there will always be great players that can play up with success as individuals as one of 11 and great teams that can have some success playing up against many teams. but in this case, whoever brought this up, we are talking about the best of the best a whole year older. there are obviously some size and speed differences, but the year of experience is a huge factor. so on a team for team basis the ability to use space and the rate at which it opens and closes, ability to win 50/50s, etc. ultimately is not equal.

now before you go labeling me as an 03 hater, i'm not. that is not the point of this post. there are some great 03 teams and next year somebody will be raising the same issues with the 04s and how they can take down the top 03s. basically chipping in to support gophers numbers that are always questioned but ultimately right on spot.

It's already happening in the '03's throwing a fit about '04 teams playing up and winning constantly. Now can any of those current '04 teams take on the likes of the top 5 '03's probably not. The last time I asked gopher where the top '04 teams ranked in the '03 bracket (DTN Manchester) was ranked #15. Yes, I am a proud parent of that team and those girls work their rears off.

I hold no hard feelings for the '03's playing up and doing well. All they are seeking is competition and to do so they have to play up in age to improve their skills. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. My dd's team last FA11 had a run in with DTS '03 while we came out on top (barely!) that team gave us a run for our money. We never matched against SRSA but I have seen them play and I am impressed to say the least.

jen_nah wrote:

bobmac15 wrote:as usual, gophers and his data mine are pretty accurate. i can support this with a bit of personal experience. prior to tgpl FA11 and SP12, fever played up the seasons before (FA10 / SP11) in primetime against decent but not top 01 teams, in addition to a few 01 tournaments. at the time fever was a top 5 02 team so if the rowdies are speculated by gophers data to be #15 01 ranked and webb 20-25, lets just say fever would have been 30 for example. the highest ranked 01 fever ever beat was 25. they won some / lost some ranked over that and once they played outside the top 35-40 they typically won. on one occasion they got mixed up with the duker's (then ranked #7 fusion navy 01s) a few year ago and it was a humbling experience. pride meet ground.

i know the rowdies played up alot and i cant speak specifically about their experience but i assume it to be proportionately similar. i do know on one occasion they played coach e's solar 01s ranked #10 and lost so i suspect they never beat a top 10.

i think there will always be great players that can play up with success as individuals as one of 11 and great teams that can have some success playing up against many teams. but in this case, whoever brought this up, we are talking about the best of the best a whole year older. there are obviously some size and speed differences, but the year of experience is a huge factor. so on a team for team basis the ability to use space and the rate at which it opens and closes, ability to win 50/50s, etc. ultimately is not equal.

now before you go labeling me as an 03 hater, i'm not. that is not the point of this post. there are some great 03 teams and next year somebody will be raising the same issues with the 04s and how they can take down the top 03s. basically chipping in to support gophers numbers that are always questioned but ultimately right on spot.

It's already happening in the '03's throwing a fit about '04 teams playing up and winning constantly. Now can any of those current '04 teams take on the likes of the top 5 '03's probably not. The last time I asked gopher where the top '04 teams ranked in the '03 bracket (DTN Manchester) was ranked #15. Yes, I am a proud parent of that team and those girls work their rears off.

I hold no hard feelings for the '03's playing up and doing well. All they are seeking is competition and to do so they have to play up in age to improve their skills. Nothing wrong with that in my opinion. My dd's team last FA11 had a run in with DTS '03 while we came out on top (barely!) that team gave us a run for our money. We never matched against SRSA but I have seen them play and I am impressed to say the least.

The RASE 04 team is the only team that can compete against the top 03s.

" My dd's team last FA11 had a run in with DTS '03 while we came out on top (barely!) that team gave us a run for our money"

You beat DTS 03 Adames? Really? Are you sure?

Master Bates wrote:" My dd's team last FA11 had a run in with DTS '03 while we came out on top (barely!) that team gave us a run for our money"

You beat DTS 03 Adames? Really? Are you sure?

Don't get your panties in a wad Master, I believe Jenna also has a 02 dd she is talking about that team beating DTS 03. Didn't DTN beat RASE a couple of weeks ago? I'm sure they would also do fine against the top 03's....with the exception of SRSA!

Master Bates wrote:" My dd's team last FA11 had a run in with DTS '03 while we came out on top (barely!) that team gave us a run for our money"

You beat DTS 03 Adames? Really? Are you sure?

I was speaking about my '02 dd in that example.


As for my '04 we are ranked higher then '04 RASE in the '03 age bracket. This past SA12 RASE played EAL against very weak competition where '04 DTN played SDL with higher caliber teams.

i think we have crossed the line from funny and silly to absurd. the 04s may be a blue chip year, but they are two years out of rec and fresh off 7v7. at least a year too soon to make that claim, but the gap will close as they get older. no top 04 team, not rase, not dtn can hang with a top 10 03.

if anyone can give me a score of an 04 within 6 goals of a top 10 03 i will humbly retract

RoidRage wrote:

Master Bates wrote:" My dd's team last FA11 had a run in with DTS '03 while we came out on top (barely!) that team gave us a run for our money"

You beat DTS 03 Adames? Really? Are you sure?

Don't get your panties in a wad Master, I believe Jenna also has a 02 dd she is talking about that team beating DTS 03. Didn't DTN beat RASE a couple of weeks ago? I'm sure they would also do fine against the top 03's....with the exception of SRSA!

No DTN RASE game hasn't happened yet, nor will it for a while! But you're correct about SRSA, they would kill any 04 team, so much so that I don't even consider them when I think 03 teams anymore, way too good! Like the 02 SRSA team too!

bobmac15 wrote:i think we have crossed the line from funny and silly to absurd. the 04s may be a blue chip year, but they are two years out of rec and fresh off 7v7. at least a year too soon to make that claim, but the gap will close as they get older. no top 04 team, not rase, not dtn can hang with a top 10 03.

if anyone can give me a score of an 04 within 6 goals of a top 10 03 i will humbly retract

Sure 04 RASE has lost to DTS Adames 2-0 and 3-0 in the recent months, has lost to Dalglish 03
1-0.

Master Bates wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

Master Bates wrote:" My dd's team last FA11 had a run in with DTS '03 while we came out on top (barely!) that team gave us a run for our money"

You beat DTS 03 Adames? Really? Are you sure?

Don't get your panties in a wad Master, I believe Jenna also has a 02 dd she is talking about that team beating DTS 03. Didn't DTN beat RASE a couple of weeks ago? I'm sure they would also do fine against the top 03's....with the exception of SRSA!

No DTN RASE game hasn't happened yet, nor will it for a while! But you're correct about SRSA, they would kill any 04 team, so much so that I don't even consider them when I think 03 teams anymore, way too good! Like the 02 SRSA team too!

Maybe it was Solar Kennington that beat RASE a couple of weeks ago, who ever it was, I am surprised they could even step on the field with RASE....much less compete with RASE or god forbid "beat" them....the planets must of aligned perfectly for that to happen! I'm sure there was some kind of excuse for something like that to happen!

RoidRage wrote:

Master Bates wrote:

RoidRage wrote:

Master Bates wrote:" My dd's team last FA11 had a run in with DTS '03 while we came out on top (barely!) that team gave us a run for our money"

You beat DTS 03 Adames? Really? Are you sure?

Don't get your panties in a wad Master, I believe Jenna also has a 02 dd she is talking about that team beating DTS 03. Didn't DTN beat RASE a couple of weeks ago? I'm sure they would also do fine against the top 03's....with the exception of SRSA!

No DTN RASE game hasn't happened yet, nor will it for a while! But you're correct about SRSA, they would kill any 04 team, so much so that I don't even consider them when I think 03 teams anymore, way too good! Like the 02 SRSA team too!

Maybe it was Solar Kennington that beat RASE a couple of weeks ago, who ever it was, I am surprised they could even step on the field with RASE....much less compete with RASE or god forbid "beat" them....the planets must of aligned perfectly for that to happen! I'm sure there was some kind of excuse for something like that to happen!

RASE is not all that and any of the 3 '04 teams can beat each other on any given day. It happens all the time. RASE choice this season not to play with the top '04 teams in the same division/league.

Do I think the top '04 teams could beat the top '03 teams like SRSA or DTS heck no I am not dilussional. But they would give 8 and down a good compitive game.

From what I heard, the other parents on DTN 04 has respect for the RASE team, more than you obviously do. My DD is nowhere near the level of RASE or to think of it DTN but i know which team I would rather her be part of, simply for the level of soccer they play. We'll see in the next few months and if DTN play and beat RASE, then I'll hold my hands up.

Rase has good ball movement along with other top 04' but lack alot of speedy players, wich helps them on the 9v9 pitch but on the 11v11 pitch it will hurt them going against top 03' like SRSA and DTS both very fast off & Def players, same goes for the top 03' going against Fc Dallas or DTS 02.

The 03 rankings for 02 are way off. Sting barely lost to #9 TFC wells 2-1 and controlled ball/movement. TFC played kickball and had 1 break away and a high bouncing ball they muscled in...so I don't see any way that they would be #27. I hate to burst 02 bubble; however outside of Top 5 teams the talent level flattens out. (This is common in all age groups)..and holds true year after year.

I don't think TFC 02 has played a Sting 03 team. Maybe I'm mistaken though. What game are you talking about? I don't make it to all of the games since we have to divide and conquer often, so I might just have missed it

I do know they are coached not to play kick ball--that's why they end up with some close games as they still make mistakes trying to pass out of the back and learn when it is truly necessary to clear.

Oops! Nope--I quit being lazy and went and looked. The Sting Scarfone 03 bunch in Junior Blue Cup! Sorry about that--should have looked first!

I don't remember the game, but that might just mean my husband was on 02 duty, so I can't comment as to your impression of the kickball approach. But I can say that it isn't what any of us--coaches, parents and players--are aiming for on this team.