Rules Confused

Funny weekend for the guys in yellow.....

Attacker awarded a PK, attacker strikes ball causing it rising up, gk jumps and redirects the ball to the crossbar which in tune retuns the ball to the advancking attacker who finishes the play and goal. Ump dis-allows the goal due to the same player striking the ball after the pk was taken. What is your take or the rules governing this?

Ball is moved down field twords the goal by the attacking team, ball never crosses the end line on a shot. Girl from defending team picks up the ball (not blown dead) and places it on the 6yd box for a goal kick. Coach instructing the attacking team to go and finish the ball as the other team is perplexed, as the attackers move forward to finish the ump blows his whistle because the girls are inside the box. I had a hard time explaining this to my 8yo on the side line. What is your take orthe rules governing this?

first case: if GK touched the ball during the taking of the penalty kick, the kicker may again play the ball. if the GK did indeed touch the ball, the goal should have been awarded. (if the ball had rebounded directly to the kicker from the crossbar without any other players touching the ball, play is stopped and defending team is awarded an indirect kick.)

second case:

it is not necessary to blow the whistle after the ball completely crosses the goal line unless players continue to attempt to play the ball. Ref does not have to blow it dead like basketball or football.

in the referee's opinion, the ball went out of play and he allowed a goal kick to proceed and whistled when the attacking players entered the penalty area before the ball was put back into play.

if the ball really did not completely cross the goal line and stayed in play, then the defending team should be penalized for handling the ball. However, again, the referee obviously ruled that the ball was out of play.

the spectators usually do not have the angle to see whether the ball crossed the goal line by a small distance. did you notice if the linesman signaled for a goal kick, offside, or anything else? with all due respect, you are mistaken or the ref crew was mistaken, but the opinion of the referee rules here. Looks like here that everyone except the attacking side thought the ball was out of play.

hope this helps

This (description by the OP) has 17-year-old-ref written all over it.

I thought the pk was a poor call so did the coach, but was told some other reason which did not pacify him and led to an even ending to the match.

The end line call I happened to be shooting pictures about 10 yards up and on the same side and there was no indication by the linesman as to a call as she seemed timid and waited a few times for others to make the call before commiting to a call from her line. The referee was in the center and about at the top of the 18 circle when he made no indication either as to the play being dead. All players on the attacking side kept playing as if waiting for a whistle.

Oh well I do appreciate for the future the ruling on the pk, will put it in the memory banks for future times.

Sounds like a recreational league game with inexperienced referees.

upper95 wrote:Sounds like a recreational league game with inexperienced referees.

Sounds like LHGCL D1 to me.

Sounds to me like the ref saw someone on the offensive team encroach into the PK area or had a better angle and the keeper did not touch it. On the other it sounds like an experienced ref who knew his AR was out of position and generally not up to par. Good refs know that the players 99% of the time know when a ball is out and who it went out on. A player does not just pick up a ball and go to the goal kick area in the hope that she can fool everyone.

On average the referees are closer and get these calls right most of the time. On average the parents are 30 to 60 yards away, have improper angles and for the most part do not know the rules. I give the benefit of the doubt to the refs on these.

my2cents wrote:Sounds to me like the ref saw someone on the offensive team encroach into the PK area or had a better angle and the keeper did not touch it. On the other it sounds like an experienced ref who knew his AR was out of position and generally not up to par. Good refs know that the players 99% of the time know when a ball is out and who it went out on. A player does not just pick up a ball and go to the goal kick area in the hope that she can fool everyone.

On average the referees are closer and get these calls right most of the time. On average the parents are 30 to 60 yards away, have improper angles and for the most part do not know the rules. I give the benefit of the doubt to the refs on these.

Would agree with most of what you say with the exception of your first sentence. Encroachment by the kicking team results in an IFK coming out by the defending team at the spot of the offense. Most likely the GK didn't touch it. Like you say, a referee 5 yards away is probable to get the call correct whereas a spectator 50+ yards away is not likely to see things the same way (they are also likely biased).

soccerman771 wrote:

my2cents wrote:Sounds to me like the ref saw someone on the offensive team encroach into the PK area or had a better angle and the keeper did not touch it. On the other it sounds like an experienced ref who knew his AR was out of position and generally not up to par. Good refs know that the players 99% of the time know when a ball is out and who it went out on. A player does not just pick up a ball and go to the goal kick area in the hope that she can fool everyone.

On average the referees are closer and get these calls right most of the time. On average the parents are 30 to 60 yards away, have improper angles and for the most part do not know the rules. I give the benefit of the doubt to the refs on these.

Would agree with most of what you say with the exception of your first sentence. Encroachment by the kicking team results in an IFK coming out by the defending team at the spot of the offense. Most likely the GK didn't touch it. Like you say, a referee 5 yards away is probable to get the call correct whereas a spectator 50+ yards away is not likely to see things the same way (they are also likely biased).

M2C I agree with you and do appreciate when a ref corrects a call. My favorite is when the AR who can't stay in line with the play for what ever reason makes a call, OB, OS, etc- I am sure thier judgement of the angle is 10x better than the crazy dads, myself included at times, who go up and down the side lines.

What is sad is that one of the first things I do when we get there for warm-ups is to see who the refs are.....

The best part is the mom of the oposing keeper was sitting at her dd's end and coaching a little and even she turned around and wondered why the goal was dis-allowed?

There are no RULES in soccer, they are LAWS. Maybe thats what are confusing everybody

Sheesh, I knew there was only 1 thing in the book I didn't understand.

EyeSnapPhotos wrote:The best part is the mom of the oposing keeper was sitting at her dd's end and coaching a little and even she turned around and wondered why the goal was dis-allowed?

Wow, imagine that a coaching parent that does not understand a call. Hard to believe.

Being within 20 yards of the end line and coaching is a violation of the rules in itself. Oh, sorry TFC, I meant the LOG

my2cents wrote:

EyeSnapPhotos wrote:The best part is the mom of the oposing keeper was sitting at her dd's end and coaching a little and even she turned around and wondered why the goal was dis-allowed?

Wow, imagine that a coaching parent that does not understand a call. Hard to believe.

Being within 20 yards of the end line and coaching is a violation of the rules in itself. Oh, sorry TFC, I meant the LOG

Laws, I've been told......