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Post by thunderlipz 29/11/14, 07:30 pm

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05girls wrote:Is this hyppia yellow card thing real or is someone just stirring the pot?  if real, what if any repercussions are there for a team/player being deliberate about dirty play?

There is no dirty play going on. Get over it. What is real is the score from the semi tonight. Hyypia over Pulp 1-0
Was it in regulation or PK's?

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Post by Black Sheep 29/11/14, 07:33 pm

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05girls wrote:Is this hyppia yellow card thing real or is someone just stirring the pot?  if real, what if any repercussions are there for a team/player being deliberate about dirty play?

There is no dirty play going on. Get over it. What is real is the score from the semi tonight. Hyypia over Pulp 1-0
Was it in regulation or PK's?

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Post by 05girls 29/11/14, 07:34 pm

Congrats on the win, but why do they keep getting yellow cards? I said in a previous post months ago i've never seen a yellow card given at this age. Hyppia has picked up 4?! Just a little odd is all, and hopefully nobody gets seriously hurt by this non-dirty play.

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Post by Black Sheep 29/11/14, 07:39 pm

05girls wrote:Congrats on the win, but why do they keep getting yellow cards?  I said in a previous post months ago i've never seen a yellow card given at this age.  Hyppia has picked up 4?!  Just a little odd is all, and hopefully nobody gets seriously hurt by this non-dirty play.

There have been a couple of yellows for a late tackle. was not playing dirty or trying to hurt anyone. Very aggressive and physical team and sometimes tackles are late and miss timed. I assure you no one is teaching them to play dirty
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Post by thunderlipz 29/11/14, 07:47 pm

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05girls wrote:Congrats on the win, but why do they keep getting yellow cards?  I said in a previous post months ago i've never seen a yellow card given at this age.  Hyppia has picked up 4?!  Just a little odd is all, and hopefully nobody gets seriously hurt by this non-dirty play.

There have been a couple of yellows for a late tackle. was not playing dirty or trying to hurt anyone. Very aggressive and physical team and sometimes tackles are late and miss timed. I assure you no one is teaching them to play dirty
What do you call late tackles from Behind? Or miss timed out of control Tackles? If that's Not Dirty play I don't know what is. Do you think it has to do with Playing against those older boys teams?

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Post by Black Sheep 29/11/14, 07:50 pm

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05girls wrote:Congrats on the win, but why do they keep getting yellow cards?  I said in a previous post months ago i've never seen a yellow card given at this age.  Hyppia has picked up 4?!  Just a little odd is all, and hopefully nobody gets seriously hurt by this non-dirty play.

There have been a couple of yellows for a late tackle. was not playing dirty or trying to hurt anyone. Very aggressive and physical team and sometimes tackles are late and miss timed. I assure you no one is teaching them to play dirty
What do you call late tackles from Behind? Or miss timed out of control Tackles? If that's Not Dirty play I don't know what is. Do you think it has to do with Playing against those older boys teams?

no one said from behind. but if a girl is coming in to make a tackle and the other player releases the ball right before the tackle is made, its a late tackle. there is no intent there. taking someone out intentionally is dirty play.
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Post by thunderlipz 29/11/14, 07:57 pm

Look, you can make excuses but the reality is if these girls are making late challenges on the ball and are picking up cards for it at u10. You've earned the dirty team label. That's perception and perception in most cases is reality. I've witnessed several players being carried off playing against this team and intent or not girls are getting injured because of it. If the coach and parents are endorsing late challenges and out of control play, then that's a huge problem. Not the right way to teach. So intent is irrelevant at this point.

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Post by 05girls 29/11/14, 08:00 pm

almost every game i've seen at this age, has what you are describing above -- "a girl coming in to make a tackle and the other player releases the ball right before it's made". But again, not once have I seen a yellow. Maybe nobody is coaching them to do it, but sounds like nobody is also coaching them to NOT do it.

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Post by Black Sheep 29/11/14, 08:01 pm

thunderlipz wrote:Look, you can make excuses but the reality is if these girls are making late challenges on the ball and are picking up cards for it at u10. You've earned the dirty team label. That's perception and perception in most cases is reality. I've witnessed several players being carried off playing against this team and intent or not girls are getting injured because of it. If the coach and parents are endorsing late challenges and out of control play, then that's a huge problem. Not the right way to teach. So intent is irrelevant at this point.

I haven't seen anyone "carried off". I have seen some girls crying after CLEAN tackles as well. A hard or physical tackle does not always equal a foul or dirty. Stop your crying
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Post by thunderlipz 29/11/14, 08:10 pm

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thunderlipz wrote:Look, you can make excuses but the reality is if these girls are making late challenges on the ball and are picking up cards for it at u10. You've earned the dirty team label. That's perception and perception in most cases is reality. I've witnessed several players being carried off playing against this team and intent or not girls are getting injured because of it. If the coach and parents are endorsing late challenges and out of control play, then that's a huge problem. Not the right way to teach. So intent is irrelevant at this point.

I haven't seen anyone "carried off". I have seen some girls crying after CLEAN tackles as well. A hard or physical tackle does not always equal a foul or dirty. Stop your crying
Your FOS. I've seen 3 players carried off playing against you guys and it's been the same Mid all three times that has made a very late tackle from behind. Sounds like you guys promote that kind of thing and that leads me to believe the intent is there. But your right, who cares if players get hurt. carry on!!!

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Post by WisdomTeeth 29/11/14, 08:38 pm

Whenever I've watched Hyypia including today they seemed very athletic and dedicated, not dirty.
Looks like very sour and whiny grapes from losing parents.
Hyypia looked the real deal v Pulp. Looked like they had some sideline help from LP top brass too.
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Post by Bueller? 29/11/14, 08:44 pm

REAL. This has continued game after game.....They have had 4 or 5 in recent games. And yes they received another in yesterdays game with Scarfone. I have seen players carried off.

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Post by the7wolf 29/11/14, 08:46 pm

thunderlipz wrote:
Black Sheep wrote:
thunderlipz wrote:Look, you can make excuses but the reality is if these girls are making late challenges on the ball and are picking up cards for it at u10. You've earned the dirty team label. That's perception and perception in most cases is reality. I've witnessed several players being carried off playing against this team and intent or not girls are getting injured because of it. If the coach and parents are endorsing late challenges and out of control play, then that's a huge problem. Not the right way to teach. So intent is irrelevant at this point.

I haven't seen anyone "carried off". I have seen some girls crying after CLEAN tackles as well. A hard or physical tackle does not always equal a foul or dirty. Stop your crying
Your FOS. I've seen 3 players carried off playing against you guys and it's been the same Mid all three times that has made a very late tackle from behind. Sounds like you guys promote that kind of thing and that leads me to believe the intent is there. But your right, who cares if players get hurt. carry on!!!

We had 2 hurt by the same player last season. I'm sorry but officials don't issue cards at this age for "mistimed" tackles, they issue them for what is considered deliberate and dangerous play. Watching this player leap in with her cleats up into the back of one of our players legs when the ball was 2-3 yards away and attempt the same thing 5 minutes later just adds to what is becoming a pattern that I believe while not being encouraged, isn't exactly being dissuaded either. The parents screaming abuse at the officials every time she gets cautioned probably goes a long way to communicating to her that it's ok. I don't believe TD would promote such a thing but parents shouting out 'great tackle' every time she takes somebody out does promote it.

I disagree with it being a dirty team though, it's always the same source.

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Post by thunderlipz 29/11/14, 08:49 pm

WisdomTeeth wrote:Whenever I've watched Hyypia including today they seemed very athletic and dedicated, not dirty.
Looks like very sour and whiny grapes from losing parents.
Hyypia looked the real deal v Pulp. Looked like they had some sideline help from LP top brass too.
Hey is that a real life photo of you?

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Post by Black Sheep 29/11/14, 09:16 pm

Hyypia was was shown a card for nothing more than shielding the ball while being beat and pushed by the other player. The refs don't just hand out cards? They don't know WHAT they are handing out a card for half the time.
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Post by 05girls 29/11/14, 09:28 pm

Come on man! 5 yellows!!! 5! Fffffffiiiiiiivvvvvveeeeee!

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Post by Black Sheep 29/11/14, 09:30 pm

the7wolf wrote:
thunderlipz wrote:
Black Sheep wrote:
thunderlipz wrote:Look, you can make excuses but the reality is if these girls are making late challenges on the ball and are picking up cards for it at u10. You've earned the dirty team label. That's perception and perception in most cases is reality. I've witnessed several players being carried off playing against this team and intent or not girls are getting injured because of it. If the coach and parents are endorsing late challenges and out of control play, then that's a huge problem. Not the right way to teach. So intent is irrelevant at this point.

I haven't seen anyone "carried off". I have seen some girls crying after CLEAN tackles as well. A hard or physical tackle does not always equal a foul or dirty. Stop your crying
Your FOS. I've seen 3 players carried off playing against you guys and it's been the same Mid all three times that has made a very late tackle from behind. Sounds like you guys promote that kind of thing and that leads me to believe the intent is there. But your right, who cares if players get hurt. carry on!!!

We had 2 hurt by the same player last season. I'm sorry but officials don't issue cards at this age for "mistimed" tackles, they issue them for what is considered deliberate and dangerous play. Watching this player leap in with her cleats up into the back of one of our players legs when the ball was 2-3 yards away and attempt the same thing 5 minutes later just adds to what is becoming a pattern that I believe while not being encouraged, isn't exactly being dissuaded either. The parents screaming abuse at the officials every time she gets cautioned probably goes a long way to communicating to her that it's ok. I don't believe TD would promote such a thing but parents shouting out 'great tackle' every time she takes somebody out does promote it.

I disagree with it being a dirty team though, it's always the same source.

Don't remember a card being issued. Guess the ref didn't see it the same as you
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Post by the7wolf 29/11/14, 10:01 pm

Black Sheep wrote:
the7wolf wrote:
thunderlipz wrote:
Black Sheep wrote:
thunderlipz wrote:Look, you can make excuses but the reality is if these girls are making late challenges on the ball and are picking up cards for it at u10. You've earned the dirty team label. That's perception and perception in most cases is reality. I've witnessed several players being carried off playing against this team and intent or not girls are getting injured because of it. If the coach and parents are endorsing late challenges and out of control play, then that's a huge problem. Not the right way to teach. So intent is irrelevant at this point.

I haven't seen anyone "carried off". I have seen some girls crying after CLEAN tackles as well. A hard or physical tackle does not always equal a foul or dirty. Stop your crying
Your FOS. I've seen 3 players carried off playing against you guys and it's been the same Mid all three times that has made a very late tackle from behind. Sounds like you guys promote that kind of thing and that leads me to believe the intent is there. But your right, who cares if players get hurt. carry on!!!

We had 2 hurt by the same player last season. I'm sorry but officials don't issue cards at this age for "mistimed" tackles, they issue them for what is considered deliberate and dangerous play. Watching this player leap in with her cleats up into the back of one of our players legs when the ball was 2-3 yards away and attempt the same thing 5 minutes later just adds to what is becoming a pattern that I believe while not being encouraged, isn't exactly being dissuaded either. The parents screaming abuse at the officials every time she gets cautioned probably goes a long way to communicating to her that it's ok. I don't believe TD would promote such a thing but parents shouting out 'great tackle' every time she takes somebody out does promote it.

I disagree with it being a dirty team though, it's always the same source.

Don't remember a card being issued. Guess the ref didn't see it the same as you

Didn't say she got a card in that game, just more examples of the same player repeating the same pattern. Still, in select the refs will start issuing them more frequently and maybe her monthly visits to the LH disciplinary committee might lead to a change.

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Post by OnTheRun 29/11/14, 10:04 pm

This age group cracks me up and reminds me of many age groups before it with all the individual and specific pettiness.  Yes, I've been around here for awhile with 4 kids going through academy/select.  I now have a niece in this '05 mix and my interest and need for entertainment have come full circle.  My suggestion for many of you is to keep your focus on the actual soccer being played by your own daughter's teams...not on the one-off situations with players and parent issues.  If you are obsessed with a one-off player issue (which 2-3 of you obviously seem to be in this case) then get back to focusing on your own daughter and her team for their own sake.  I mean...has it really come to a point that 2-3 of you are constantly posting on this forum about one player in the '05 age group?? Seriously?? My takeaway from experience is that you are probably complaining about a situation like this because your daughter is on a lower ranked team and you have nothing else to complain about that than something like this.  Am I right?  

Congrats to Hypia and Texans for getting their way to the finals of this tournament.  I have watched both teams play this Fall...both are very good and physical in each their own way.  I would suggest that both coaches have served their players correctly in getting them ready to turn select and be tough.  Nothing more.

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Post by Guest 29/11/14, 10:27 pm

Black Sheep wrote:
thunderlipz wrote:
Black Sheep wrote:
05girls wrote:Is this hyppia yellow card thing real or is someone just stirring the pot?  if real, what if any repercussions are there for a team/player being deliberate about dirty play?

There is no dirty play going on. Get over it. What is real is the score from the semi tonight. Hyypia over Pulp 1-0
Was it in regulation or PK's?

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How about the other semi? Was that 1-0 in regulation or did it go to OT/PK's?

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Post by Shelby427 29/11/14, 10:32 pm

Pravda wrote:This age group cracks me up and reminds me of many age groups before it with all the individual and specific pettiness.  Yes, I've been around here for awhile with 4 kids going through academy/select.  I now have a niece in this '05 mix and my interest and need for entertainment have come full circle.  My suggestion for many of you is to keep your focus on the actual soccer being played by your own daughter's teams...not on the one-off situations with players and parent issues.  If you are obsessed with a one-off player issue (which 2-3 of you obviously seem to be in this case) then get back to focusing on your own daughter and her team for their own sake.  I mean...has it really come to a point that 2-3 of you are constantly posting on this forum about one player in the '05 age group??  Seriously??  My takeaway from experience is that you are probably complaining about a situation like this because your daughter is on a lower ranked team and you have nothing else to complain about that than something like this.  Am I right?  

Congrats to Hypia and Texans for getting their way to the finals of this tournament.  I have watched both teams play this Fall...both are very good and physical in each their own way.  I would suggest that both coaches have served their players correctly in getting them ready to turn select and be tough.  Nothing more.  

Been around awhile myself. People who post long back-stories' justifying why they are about to comment in a particular thread using new or rarely used logins are full of crap. I'm guessing you are the parent of complained about player am I right?

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Post by 05girls 29/11/14, 10:42 pm

Pravda, everyone agrees you are more awesome than we are since this is your 5th trip down this path (wow, can that actually be true?)! Unfortunately you are off base. For me, I just enjoy partaking in a good ol fashion sports debate. A 9/10 year old soccer player getting carded repeatedly and hearing both sides defend it is entertainment to me -- yes I lead a boring life. I have no skin in the game and don't really care all that much. But as you suggest, I'll go back to worrying about my inferior daughter and her inferior team and will try my best to not have an opinion going forward.

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Post by TatonkaBurger 29/11/14, 11:17 pm

Who was the Hyypia guest player?  It wasn't the best 05 player in NTX was it?
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Post by banana kick 30/11/14, 06:03 am

No, I gave her the weekend off. Smile
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Post by Tar Heel 30/11/14, 07:51 am

05girls wrote:Is this hyppia yellow card thing real or is someone just stirring the pot?  if real, what if any repercussions are there for a team/player being deliberate about dirty play?

It's real. Had the same Hyppia girl take out my daughter twice as well as a few others TSC players (ball usually wasn't even close to the play). Game got WAY out of hand with one of their parents threatening the ref and then got escorted off by the TD. That
LP player never did get a yellow, she should have gotten a red! Everything I saw looked as if it was deliberate and will continue until refs get a backbone and start carding.
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Post by namkcih 30/11/14, 08:37 am

I imagine that the league/tournament organizers occasionally look at this board and have probably read the many posts/threads around this same subject. We should now consider that they have been put on notice.

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