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Post by Guest 27/01/17, 12:03 pm

http://www.si.com/planet-futbol/2017/01/18/fifa-shootouts-penalty-kicks-mls-van-basten-world-cup-2026

I know this was experimented with back in early days of the  MSL and even further back in the old NASL.
As the parent of a keeper I am torn on whether this is a good idea or not. I am a firm believer of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". However, I do think the Run up Shootout evens up the odds for the keeper and adds for a more exciting game.
Just my thoughts, would love for other keeper parents to chime in.

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Post by 08keepermom 27/01/17, 01:15 pm

As a former keeper from that era, I love the idea.  PKs are all about the player - pretty much put the ball on target and you are guaranteed for it to go in.  The keeper is guessing, ok maybe educated guessing, but still guessing, which way to move.  The run up shootout gives the keeper a chance to use some skill in the contest:  attack fast, cut the angle, and react.  It also requires more skill from the player, making it a better tie breaker.  And much more interesting to watch, kind of like the NHL.

Now, as a keeper mom...  scares me to death!  Every time I see my daughter come out and attack in a 1v1 situation I hold my breath and pray.  But I also think she would love it.

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Post by Jackie Moon 27/01/17, 01:48 pm

Love this idea.  The odds start to lean in favor of a good keeper and puts way more pressure on the shooter.  I know my daughters success rate of 1v1 is much higher than facing PKs.
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Post by davito 27/01/17, 01:51 pm

Eric Wynalda and Jonathan Kraft are spot on that it was stupid and embarrassing that we made up rules like this.

There is nothing wrong with draws in league play. To settle league games like this would be an abomination.

In terms of replacing penalty shootouts in tournaments with this I don't see the point. Penalties are not a very satisfactory solution but the run up shootout is similarly arbitrary. So don't fix the situation unless the fix is significantly better in my opinion.

Now substitutions on the fly, that may have some potential. They could be facilitated by the 4th official and avoid unnecessary time wasting and break of the flow at the end of games.
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Post by KeeperCommander 27/01/17, 02:47 pm

I think PK's definitely give shooter upper hand. Clean is right that this will help even the playing field a little. It does require that the player utilize more skill so it would definitely be beneficial. They already use this in many of the small sided games anyway.
Keepermom I definitely think it is more terrifying to watch a player wind up and nail one at my DD than to have her go out and enact a little self preservation towards a forward. 2 cents that is all.

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Post by SoccerDad75070 28/01/17, 09:54 am

From my island of few that see nothing wrong with golden goal extra time - I see this just as non-team and arbitrary as pk's

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Post by Zizou 28/01/17, 10:38 am

People expecting the goals is what makes the saves so great. Leave it alone!

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Post by Guest 29/01/17, 01:00 pm

Yes that is correct, but those saves are far and few between. PKs reach speeds of up to 125 mph and are over in less than a quarter of a second. The keeper has to make a decision on how to stop the shot before the ball is struck. They have to guess. PKs overwhelmingly favor the shooter.

A study on penalty kicks was done by Ben Gurion University of the Negev in Israel. They looked at 286 penalty kicks from professioal leagues in Europe and South America as well as the Europe Championships and World Cup.

- 85% of the penalty shots placed on goal were successful
 
- 80% to the lower one third were successful

- 100% to the upper third were successful

- 87% to the center were successful

- 83% to the outer third were successful

The current system favors the shooter. The run up shootout will even the playing field and cause both the shooter and the keeper to get creative in their respective tactics. In turn will make for a more entertaining finish to a game.

I would even welcome a compromise. Half the distance from the run up and current pk spot and allow the keeper to come off their line. At the very least allow the keeper to come off their line when the whistle blows, if they chose to do so.

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Post by twotone 31/01/17, 11:37 am

In a 0-0 game after 90 minutes, and an extra 30 minutes after that, why would I want the GK to have an advantage so that we have less goals to be scored?

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Post by 08keepermom 31/01/17, 11:47 am

twotone wrote:In a 0-0 game after 90 minutes, and an extra 30 minutes after that, why would I want the GK to have an advantage so that we have less goals to be scored?

Using that logic, why have a keeper at all during PKs? Wouldn't want the keeper to limit the number of goals scored.

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Post by Guest 31/01/17, 11:51 am

08keepermom wrote:
twotone wrote:In a 0-0 game after 90 minutes, and an extra 30 minutes after that, why would I want the GK to have an advantage so that we have less goals to be scored?

Using that logic, why have a keeper at all during PKs?  Wouldn't want the keeper to limit the number of goals scored.
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Post by KeeperCommander 31/01/17, 11:59 am

Cleansheets wrote:
08keepermom wrote:
twotone wrote:In a 0-0 game after 90 minutes, and an extra 30 minutes after that, why would I want the GK to have an advantage so that we have less goals to be scored?

Using that logic, why have a keeper at all during PKs?  Wouldn't want the keeper to limit the number of goals scored.
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Maybe we should just take the goals out too. Just use the end line. That way twotone DD won't be bothered by those mean spirited crossbar and posts.

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Post by 00GKdad 31/01/17, 01:39 pm

I've never been a fan of shootouts. As a parent of a keeper I would really hate to see them go into the professional game.

If FIFA goes to shootouts so will the youth matches, and high school games around here don't end in ties. High schoolers would have to endure a significant number of shootouts per season. I've never seen a keeper hurt in a PK, but I've seen more than a few go down and stay down after a 1v1.

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Post by upper95 01/02/17, 12:08 am

It hasn't been that long since HS soccer transitioned from shootouts to kicks.
Ball was placed 35 yards out. attacker had 5 seconds to shoot after whistle, keeper could come off line on whistle. if keeper fouled, there was a PK.

had a playoff game go 16 rounds where the losing keeper stopped 14 and the winner stopped 15. good keepers defeat average field players.

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Post by KeeperCommander 01/02/17, 04:07 pm

When was it, sometime in the 80's that Calender year was changed to school year. Now we are back to calendar year. Change is inevitable. Things change and then they come back.

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Post by Guest 01/02/17, 04:12 pm

That's why I am still holding on to my parachute pants and Chess King shirts.

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