Region III Championships

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Why you trying to cut KC? You must have a kid on Elite?

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:And what's there not to buy? This was the explanation that was giving to us which is not totally clear.

Rule 224. PLAYER ELIGIBILITY
Section 1. A player must be properly registered and rostered in accordance with the rules of
US Youth Soccer and the State Association.
Section 2. A youth player may be on the National Championships roster of only one team at each level of the National Championships competitions during any seasonal year; provided, however, that a youth player who was rostered to a team of a club at a National Championship competition level that has been eliminated and does not advance to any level of the competition and who has been issued a club pass of that club in accordance with this policy may be rostered to another team of that club at the next level of the National Championship competitions. Subject to the foregoing, and subject to the provisions of Rule 221, Section 1 (5), at each level of the National Championships competitions, a team may add to its National Championship roster for that level as many registered youth players holding club passes of that club of which a team is a member as the team or its club determines so long as the roster does not exceed 22 players. A team may not change the club of which it is a member at any time after the commencement of the National Championship competitions and in any event only in compliance with the rules of the State Association of which the club is a member.

pfloyd wrote:Foxysoccermon, the player was on LFC roster all season long and came down to Texas to play. She also came down on weekdays to practice some times. We should be proud that girls from OK want to come to Texas to become better soccer players. In any case, she was on LFC's roster from game one of the 2016-2017 season and was at our signing party too.

pfloyd wrote:Zizou I agree that nothing can be done to change this outcome for our team. I don't agree that nothing can be done, unless the truth is not told.

Everyone should be outraged that the Region III rules committee broke it's own rules to make a ruling. Does everybody understand how wrong and dangerous that is????  If they believe they are above their own rules where then, will their power stop?

If everybody sends emails to NTX, Region III and National SRPL soccer demanding an answer to why it is OK for the Region III committee to break the rules it could be that they will think twice before breaking the rules again and doing this to somebody else. There was a common theme throughout peoples posts and that was they hoped LFC learned their lesson. So, how does the rules committee learn their lesson? They won't if everyone remains silent.

Your voices are powerful and can make a difference.

Don't do this for me or my daughter do it for your children because they could be next.

KeeperCommander wrote:Said player became ineligible the second she played for a second team in a second state cup. Sorry Chief, ineligible means ineligible. Doesn't matter who had her first. Then when you play said ineligible player that means DQ.

pfloyd wrote:KeeperCommander I did not read anything in the rules about whether a player plays. I could only find rules that refer to rosters. Please point me to those rule so I can update my findings. Actually if I remember correct there was a rule about playing an ineligible player. The penalty was to forfeit each game she played in. The committee chose not to enforce that rule but apply the much tougher illegal roster rules.

upper95 wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:Said player became ineligible the second she played for a second team in a second state cup. Sorry Chief, ineligible means ineligible. Doesn't matter who had her first. Then when you play said ineligible player that means DQ.

Agree 100%.

Lots of culpable parties here, and a bureaucratic nightmare...

Did dad ever wonder if it was ok to play in multiple state cups?  The first casualty for non-compliance would be his DD.

There obviously isn't a system or process in place to cross reference rosters (heck we don't even stop people from voting in multiple states), and who guards against extremely unlikely scenarios (time consuming and expensive)?

The fact that Region III did not follow the protest rules is worthy of condemnation, but these (multiple copies and a bond) are usually put into place to dissuade frivolous accusations.  This type of accusation was unusual and apparently credible.  

If the OK coach really kept the information in his pocket until he could use it to his advantage, he is ethically challenged and should be suspended.

If LP knew she played in OK, recognize the red flag and check multiple sources.

Side question:  did NTSSA have a written release from OK to allow her to play in Texas in the first place?  if not, she was never legally rostered in TX.  if there was a release, the OK State Cup rosters could have been checked against Oklahoma residents released to other states.

ElClassico wrote:
Really the lesson to be learned is not to play a player that's in doubt. It's kind of like allowing a ref to determine the outcome of a game. LFC should have never put the rest of the team in that position. The moment they found out she played in OK it should have been the end of it, not the middle of the first half 1200 miles away. Blame the other coach all you want but it was LFC who made the decision to roll the dice. It could have been dealt with before leaving for NC by contacting the committee and getting a ruling in writing before hand.

LP_Elite wrote:We were disqualified from the regional championships in Greensboro, North Carolina for fielding an ineligible player. The player in question has been on our roster since July 1 2016. She dual rostered with us and NWO in Oklahoma. The player in question played in all competitions with us (LP ELITE 03) except for State cup, including SRPL (USYSA) and this includes games against OFC. We believed that because NWO 02 did not advance to regionals that she was good to go and play with us. What we learned was that the rules change for the 'Champions Series' which includes state cup, regionals and national finals. Once a player plays for a certain team in any champions series competition they are automatically ineligible to compete for another team in the 'champions series' even if dual rostered in a different state. The rules were shown to us after the fact and were very unclear, yet in the eyes of the tournament directors we had violated this rule and were immediately disqualified. We won our first game against OFC 4-0 and were confident of advancing out of the group stages. What happened was unintentional and we completely accept the ruling and will live to fight another day. I accept full responsibility as the coach of this team and that's that. We look forward to competing in the next 12 months to attempt to achieve a better outcome at the next regional championships.

This has absolutely no bearing on NPL national finals (US Club) and the player in question will continue to play for Liverpool 03 Elite.