Re: Dallas International Girls Cup

by Uncle Numanga 05/04/12, 08:58 am

bronxdad wrote:last year the Euro dads were on the sidelines with no shirts on

Actually, that was me.

by ontheball 05/04/12, 09:00 am

bronxdad wrote:last year the Euro dads were on the sidelines with no shirts on

And that was scarry! We saw some of that yesterday as well. Let me just say there were some pony kegs and no 6 packs.

by socrocks 05/04/12, 09:07 am

Well I plan to bring my full-sized keg today and it will be on full display.

If I could only find my thong with the Danish flag....I'd give 'em a dose of their own medicine.

by ontheball 05/04/12, 11:39 am

socrocks wrote:Well I plan to bring my full-sized keg today and it will be on full display.

If I could only find my thong with the Danish flag....I'd give 'em a dose of their own medicine.

Just remember one size does NOT fit all.

by socrocks 05/04/12, 11:51 am

ontheball wrote:
socrocks wrote:Well I plan to bring my full-sized keg today and it will be on full display.

If I could only find my thong with the Danish flag....I'd give 'em a dose of their own medicine.

Just remember one size does NOT fit all.

So true sister, so true

by Slim 05/04/12, 11:52 am

socrocks wrote:Well I plan to bring my full-sized keg today and it will be on full display.

If I could only find my thong with the Danish flag....I'd give 'em a dose of their own medicine.

I've got to get one with a flag!

by socrocks 05/04/12, 11:56 am

Slim wrote:
socrocks wrote:Well I plan to bring my full-sized keg today and it will be on full display.

If I could only find my thong with the Danish flag....I'd give 'em a dose of their own medicine.

I've got to get one with a flag!

Sometimes I wonder if it was worth it. Unless I've had my meds, you can't always tell who's flag I'm raising.

by Noob 05/04/12, 11:37 pm

The Eclipse sideline put one heck of a fun show. The girls from Eclipse know how to have a fun time on the soccer sidelines. I know I enjoyed the enthusiasm.

by Pitchmon 06/04/12, 12:33 am

ontheball wrote:
bronxdad wrote:last year the Euro dads were on the sidelines with no shirts on
And that was scarry! We saw some of that yesterday as well. Let me just say there were some pony kegs and no 6 packs.

I like to say why have a six pack when you can have a keg??

by Uncle Numanga 07/04/12, 01:17 pm

Texans 95 Red beat Feet 3-1 then find out one of their guests we had filling in for some injured players is over the age limit. Bummer, but now I got the rest of the weekend off.

by u95g dad 08/04/12, 12:02 am

Uncle Numanga wrote:Texans 95 Red beat Feet 3-1 then find out one of their guests we had filling in for some injured players is over the age limit. Bummer, but now I got the rest of the weekend off.

Trying to use a Ringer, huh? Very Happy

The rest will do your dd good. cheers

by Kenshi Dave 09/04/12, 08:53 am

Unc ... how did the age brackets work?

Bracket Says U18/U17 ... Is that some international designation for what we know as 95s? Sure seems like you could use a Texan 94 since it says "U18" (95s are U17 & 94s ar U18).

I don't see why there was a problem.

Maybe they are working under some calendar year convention since it is "international".

by LoneStar 09/04/12, 09:02 am

Local teams could not use older kids, it was for international teams(maybe out of state as well). I think they had a grace of 6-9 months.

by texflats 09/04/12, 09:13 am

LoneStar wrote:Local teams could not use older kids, it was for international teams(maybe out of state as well). I think they had a grace of 6-9 months.

Oh that makes sense.... scratch

by inthenet 09/04/12, 09:18 am

Kenshi Dave wrote:Unc ... how did the age brackets work?

Bracket Says U18/U17 ... Is that some international designation for what we know as 95s? Sure seems like you could use a Texan 94 since it says "U18" (95s are U17 & 94s ar U18).

I don't see why there was a problem.

Maybe they are working under some calendar year convention since it is "international".

The nomenclature for the age groups was confusing, but the rules were not. From the tournament rules page:

Age categories: Girls born on/after August 1, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997 and 1998. For international teams dispensations will automatically be given to all players who are maximum 7 months over age.

I was told that they allowed the dispensation for international teams because their age groups varied significantly from ours.

What is as interesting as the teams using ineligible players is how the tournament let them on the roster when they were clearly ineligible.

While the team certainly should have known better, the tournament has a major screw-up on their hands since they allowed it to happen.

by Uncle Numanga 09/04/12, 11:04 am

Kenshi Dave wrote:Unc ... how did the age brackets work?

Bracket Says U18/U17 ... Is that some international designation for what we know as 95s? Sure seems like you could use a Texan 94 since it says "U18" (95s are U17 & 94s ar U18).

I don't see why there was a problem.

Maybe they are working under some calendar year convention since it is "international".

The player in question had a November birth date. The International calendar rules were used, making her ineligible by a month and a half. No big deal for us because no one on our team really wanted to play. Too much soccer with HS playoffs going on.

I just feel that if the other coach had a problem with the ineligible girl playing, make it known before the game. Don't wait until you lose to make the protest.

by LHD 09/04/12, 11:27 am

Uncle Numanga wrote:
Kenshi Dave wrote:Unc ... how did the age brackets work?

Bracket Says U18/U17 ... Is that some international designation for what we know as 95s? Sure seems like you could use a Texan 94 since it says "U18" (95s are U17 & 94s ar U18).

I don't see why there was a problem.

Maybe they are working under some calendar year convention since it is "international".

The player in question had a November birth date. The International calendar rules were used, making her ineligible by a month and a half. No big deal for us because no one on our team really wanted to play. Too much soccer with HS playoffs going on.

I just feel that if the other coach had a problem with the ineligible girl playing, make it known before the game. Don't wait until you lose to make the protest.

Did the other coach know the player was ineligible before the game?

by Uncle Numanga 09/04/12, 11:52 am

LHD wrote:
Uncle Numanga wrote:
Kenshi Dave wrote:Unc ... how did the age brackets work?

Bracket Says U18/U17 ... Is that some international designation for what we know as 95s? Sure seems like you could use a Texan 94 since it says "U18" (95s are U17 & 94s ar U18).

I don't see why there was a problem.

Maybe they are working under some calendar year convention since it is "international".

The player in question had a November birth date. The International calendar rules were used, making her ineligible by a month and a half. No big deal for us because no one on our team really wanted to play. Too much soccer with HS playoffs going on.

I just feel that if the other coach had a problem with the ineligible girl playing, make it known before the game. Don't wait until you lose to make the protest.

Did the other coach know the player was ineligible before the game?

Yes.

by socrocks 09/04/12, 12:09 pm

Interesting perspective Unc. Should the burden fall on the opposing team to monitor your roster? I'd think your team would know the rules of your own tournament.

If you don't follow the rules through your own doings (whether thru intent or ignorance), the next line of vigilance should lie with the tournament itself. Someone a little less suspicious than myself might be less understanding about a Texan hosted event allowing a known Texan player on a Texan team to somehow slip past rules enforcement. God knows the event required a boatload of documentation for each player and for each of the other teams to validate identities and eligibility.

Until I just saw your last post I intended to ask, "is it possible that the 'losers' didn't know of the player's ineligible status before the game and only realized it once the game had started?" Now that you have addressed this by suggesting that the other team (Feet) knew of the player's ineligibility....one has to assume that Texans also knew. Pretty slim chance Feet knew and Texans' didn't. So why use her?

Regardless, since you felt the need to bring it up at all, why take a shot at Feet and not be willing to recognize Texans' own malfeasance?

by stillyuk 09/04/12, 12:27 pm

Not malfeasance, just simple negligence. Frankly, nobody on Texans team gives a damn. Didn't want to play in the tournament to begin with, but had no choice. Shea (Feet coach) knew ahead of time, but didn't protest until game was out of reach (and then claimed he didn't know about the filed protest). Typical Shea bullshit, but within his rights. He caught another break yesterday with the rain, because Eclipse would have beaten him 7-0.

by LHD 09/04/12, 01:33 pm

stillyuk wrote:Not malfeasance, just simple negligence. Frankly, nobody on Texans team gives a damn. [Texan parent brought up issue] Didn't want to play in the tournament to begin with, but had no choice. Shea (Feet coach) knew ahead of time, [then so did Texans - which means they knowingly used an ineligible player - not "simple negligence"] but didn't protest until game was out of reach (and then claimed he didn't know about the filed protest). Typical Shea bullshit, but within his rights. He caught another break yesterday with the rain, because Eclipse would have beaten him 7-0. [maybe - but not likely that large of margin based on last 2 meetings]

by stillyuk 09/04/12, 01:50 pm

No, actually Texans didn't know it. The player in question certainly wasn't necessary to beat Feet, and had they known it, she wouldn't have played. She was on the roster that was checked in at the beginning of the tournament, and everybody missed the discrepancy between U-18 August to August, and calendar year.

Texans played poorly, and without 2/3 of its midfield, and still killed Feet. I wouldn't be too sure of what Feet would have done against Eclipse. For whatever reason, Baylor soccer north is even worse than usual right now.

But as I said, rules are rules, and the tournament made the correct decision.

by inthenet 09/04/12, 02:07 pm

From a conspiracy standpoint, there's not a better story line than the Texans and the tournament conspired to take over the world by using ineligible players.

I don't think anyone really believes that's what happened though. Our manager said that at check in, they went through every birth certificate and checked the certificate along with the card and the roster. It is hard to see how anyone could have gotten such a player rostered using that system.

However, in talking with another team's manager, not every team was checked that way. Apparently some teams only got a cursory glance, and if you typed a name on the roster, they were going to get on, as long as they had a card, as they were only verifying names.

The rules were very clear, however, and the Texans manager should have known that any '94 player should not have been allowed on the roster of a domestic team. I don't think there's any other way to look at that.

However, the tournament bears the ultimate responsibility for checking the documentation and verifying that the players are age appropriate, (i.e. enforcing their own rules) which is something they clearly did not do.

I have heard, but I don't know for a fact, that Texans Red '95 was not the only team with ineligible players on it in violation of the rules, and at least one of the teams alleged to have violated was not even a Texan team.

by Uncle Numanga 09/04/12, 02:13 pm

inthenet wrote:

The rules were very clear, however, and the Texans manager should have known that any '94 player should not have been allowed on the roster of a domestic team. I don't think there's any other way to look at that.

However, the tournament bears the ultimate responsibility for checking the documentation and verifying that the players are age appropriate, (i.e. enforcing their own rules) which is something they clearly did not do.

I agree completely. 94's that were born after January 1 were ok. She was November, 1993. Ok for league and US tournaments, not internationals

by justfurkicks 09/04/12, 03:51 pm

Never again will I ever contemplate signing up for a tournament even remotely close to High School playoffs.

by socrocks 09/04/12, 04:32 pm

stillyuk wrote:No, actually Texans didn't know it. The player in question certainly wasn't necessary to beat Feet, and had they known it, she wouldn't have played. She was on the roster that was checked in at the beginning of the tournament, and everybody missed the discrepancy between U-18 August to August, and calendar year.

Texans played poorly, and without 2/3 of its midfield, and still killed Feet. I wouldn't be too sure of what Feet would have done against Eclipse. For whatever reason, Baylor soccer north is even worse than usual right now.

But as I said, rules are rules, and the tournament made the correct decision.

Oversight of rules by 95 Texans...unfortunate but it happens.
Failure to catch it by tournament...again, unfortunate but it happens.
Forfeiting games and disqualification of team...appropriate action.
How about just acknowledging the series of oversights and moving on?
It should just end here....it's called "the high road."
Your personal feelings about playing in the event aren't relevant to the storyline, just a feeble way of diminishing what took place.

Dislike Feet's coach? Fair enough...your opinion.
Trying to detract from the real story by vilifying Feet...lame.
Wholesale assault on the Feet team and their character for playing by the rules is more of a reflection of your character than theirs.

Even when so clearly in the wrong, your hatred for all things non-Texans overtakes any sense of logic or common decency.

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