Did LHGCL ever vote on that "player pass" rule?

If so, what was the outcome? There was a lot of talk about it a while back and now nothing. What happened?

Yep barely passed. It's now up to each league or tournament to implement and make their own guidelines as they see fit.

I, for one, am for this 100%. I would much rather see a player pass then dribble excessively!

We're there any restrictions? Like you can only play up a division, or anything like that? Or can a player switch between teams with impunity?

aTmAg wrote:If so, what was the outcome?  There was a lot of talk about it a while back and now nothing.  What happened?

what is the rule?

There are lots of different wordings, I'm not sure what passed. But in general, players for a given club can play for any appropriate aged team within the same club as long as they only play once per day.

They left it very generic. Did not want to put to many rules on it. Left that for each league and tournament to decide. Pretty much just says a player can move between teams within their own club.

2028:

N. Texas approved it,

But are saying LHGCL voted on it already?

I said it was LHGCL, cuz I didn't realize that it was NTX initiated thing. My understanding now is that now LHGCL has to adopt all or some of it for it to make a difference for classic league players.

aTmAg wrote:I said it was LHGCL, cuz I didn't realize that it was NTX initiated thing.  My  understanding now is that now LHGCL has to adopt  all or some of it for it to make a difference for classic league  players.

LHGCL is NTSSA sanctioned, so I would think they would follow the NTX rules... My dealings with JB at LH she is by the book to an extreme.

Doesn't the LHGCL board gotta vote for rule changes too? Surely it's not up to one person is it?

I heard similar to what 2028 said earlier, that each league/tournament is going to have leeway in how the club pass rule is implemented.

Also heard that LHGCL is likely to put some restrictions in place to try and minimize "abuse" of the rule (i.e. a D1 team loaning out players to a D2 or D3 team to try and win a critical game). Although, not sure how they will be able to completely eliminate those situations.

bwgophers wrote:I heard similar to what 2028 said earlier, that each league/tournament is going to have leeway in how the club pass rule is implemented.  

Also heard that LHGCL is likely to put some restrictions in place to try and minimize "abuse" of the rule (i.e. a D1 team loaning out players to a D2 or D3 team to try and win a critical game).  Although, not sure how they will be able to completely eliminate those situations.

Thats exactly how NTX left it. Each league and tournament now gets to decide how to use it. I will post the actual rule in a bit.

2028 wrote:

bwgophers wrote:I heard similar to what 2028 said earlier, that each league/tournament is going to have leeway in how the club pass rule is implemented.  

Also heard that LHGCL is likely to put some restrictions in place to try and minimize "abuse" of the rule (i.e. a D1 team loaning out players to a D2 or D3 team to try and win a critical game).  Although, not sure how they will be able to completely eliminate those situations.

Thats exactly how NTX left it. Each league and tournament now gets to decide how to use it. I will post the actual rule in a bit.

Here it is!

Competitive teams will be permitted to have club pass players for league and/or tournament games if specifically allowed by the league or tournament rules. The use of club pass players shall be in accordance with the following.

-The club pass player must be a competitive player registered with NTSSA to another team within the same club
-The club pass player may NOT play down from their own age group
-A release from the team to which the player is rostered is not required. It is up to the club to manage any issues within their teams/parents/coach relating to club pass player
-Club pass player may practice with the team to which they are scheduled to player pass
-The team and club pass player must follow the rules of the competition, including but not limitted to total numbers of club pass players allowedper game and/or the number of teams with which a player may compete in a day, week, or event.

Thats it in a nut shell. NTSSA said it's OK to do it and each league or tournament can make their own rules on how its used.

Ok, so the pass passed!  

does anyone besides me think this rule is a bunch of B/S?

LHGCL has not yet published their version of the Player Pass rule. I would expect something might be said at the annual membership meeting in August.

I personally think it should be allowed only to play up divisions. So it can give a D2 or D3 player an opportunity to play D1, for example. Doing so might encourage more girls to stay on their D2 and D3 teams. Also, that way a club can't stack the deck on a lower team with D1 players at the end of the year in order to keep a bye our something.

aTmAg wrote:I personally think it should be allowed only to play up divisions.  So it can give a D2 or D3 player an opportunity to play D1, for example.  Doing so might  encourage  more girls to stay on their D2 and D3  teams.  Also, that way a club can't stack the deck on a lower team with D1 players at the end of the year in order to keep a bye our something.

That is how LHGCL said they would do it if it passed. We will see if they stick to their word. Most that voted against it was because NTX didn't put the no playing down in competitive level stipulation in the new rule.

I still don't understand the need for this rule. It is definitely biased toward the big club. The big club already has the advantage, deservedly so, that they can promote stronger/relegate weaker players up/down between their teams. Why do they need more, imo unfair, advantage allowing players to move between the club's teams when many independents don't have that opportunity due to their size.

All over the academy forum, you hear complaints about guest players having an impact on games that result in higher ranking in FBR. Someone always chimes in saying that all this will work itself out when players reach select. With this new rule, the big clubs are basically playing by academy rules. Why not remove all the restrictions allowing guest play from other clubs? At least it would allow the small indys to compete.

I think it's because NTX select has been somewhat decimated by ECNL. We got a lot more ECNL teams in our area than most states. So I think they want to encourage the best players to filter to the top more easily.

soccerdad1969 wrote:I still don't understand the need for this rule. It is definitely biased toward the big club. The big club already has the advantage, deservedly so, that they can promote stronger/relegate weaker players up/down between their teams. Why do they need more, imo unfair, advantage allowing players to move between the club's teams when many independents don't have that opportunity due to their size.

All over the academy forum, you hear complaints about guest players having an impact on games that result in higher ranking in FBR. Someone always chimes in saying that all this will work itself out when players reach select. With this new rule, the big clubs are basically playing by academy rules. Why not remove all the restrictions allowing guest play from other clubs? At least it would allow the small indys to compete.

these are my thoughts exactly. this rule will pave the way for "big club" domination on all three divisions in LHGCL.

I think that if you can only play up in divisions above you then the small clubs will be ok. If they allowed D1 players to play down then the small clubs would be killed and knocked out.

aTmAg wrote:I  think that if you can only play up in divisions above you then the small clubs will be ok.  If they allowed D1 players to play down then the small clubs would be killed and knocked out.

My DDs haven't made it to select yet, so I'll be watching how this works out...

Any predictions on what people think will happen?

Here's mine.  If you can only play up, big clubs won't have as much incentive to carry bigger rosters with their higher ranked teams, as they can always have a player play up if there's a need.  That will reduce bench time for the players at the end of the roster, since instead of riding the bench as the 16th player in D1, they'll be a starter in D2 who plays up with the D1 team a few times each year when someone else is hurt or out of town.

Or am I missing something?

Are you suggesting the clubs will bypass the extra $3k per player in order to give them more PT?