PPL D1 Teams 2013/2014

Thought a new thread would be good to see which teams will now be Plano D1. Will AFC Red and Sting play Plano or Arlington? Do they meet N+1 requirement? With all the teams that disbanded over summer who takes final spots?

PPL Rules for Reference

U12-U14
• Each of these age groups will have 10 teams in D1 and D2 and the remainder of the teams will be placed in D3 or D4 if applicable
• All teams must have N+1 from the Spring Roster as of April 1, 2013 to be considered for a BYE.
• From the F12/S13 standings the top 10 teams in D1 will receive a BYE and will be F13’s D1
• If a PPL D1 top 10 team does not return or makes Classic/Lake Highlands we will accept a Classic or
Lake Highlands team in their place. With N+1
• 4 BYES will be given in D2 leaving 6 places for qualification. Team’s in 11th and 12th place from
F12/S13 D1 will be offered a BYE and 2 other BYES will be offered at the discretion of the VP
Competitive, this may include the top teams from D2.
• At the end of the fall season awards will be presented to the top 2 teams in D1 and D2
• Then the top two teams in D2 will be promoted to D1 and the bottom two teams in D1 will be
relegated to D2. All points will be removed.
• At the end of the spring season awards will be given to the top 2 teams in D1 and D2 *D3/D4 groups may not have parity of play
*N+1 is based on your roster as of April 1, 2013 and is half your roster size plus 1. For example if you have 18 players then you need 10 returning players to maintain your N+1.

With regard to where the teams land that did not qualify;

Fusion - maintains its PPL D1 BYE
AFC and Sting - should land in PPL D1 by virtue of being LH teams last year, not sure if roster comparison of last year versus this year matters, and since they both advanced to second week qualifying I would expect they are offered PPL D1 "Byes" by the league if the league has that kind of flexibility
Infinity - not sure if they would retain their bye due to the N+1 roster rule, but since they advanced to the second round of qualifying, I can see the league continue to keep a bye for Infinity.

Thoughts are of the following 10 and none play in Placement:

Frisco Fusion
Liverpool Keegan
Infinity
Odyssey

AFC Red (PPL will take them with open arms)
Sting West (same comment as above)

Now whom?
Solar Navy (around still?)
Lonestars
Spirit North Red
FCD Blue

Next in line are Inspire, Andro Red, GSSC (these 3 still around?)

Thoughts?

These were the teams that had byes if they met the N+1 requirement and were coming back,  I'm not sure if there will be a placement tournament for PPL D1, I didn't think there would be one:

1. Frisco Fusion 01G
   NTX Strikers 01G (Now LH D3)
   FC Dallas 01G South Blue (Folded)
   Liverpool 01G Keegan
   Dallas Kicks East 01G (Folded)
   Solar Chelsea 01G Gold (?)
   Infinity FC 01G
   Odyssey SC 01G
   DTxn 01G White Dallas (Folded)
   Solar Chelsea 01G Navy
   
   

From LH regulated is Sting and AFC Red

That's eight teams If Solar Gold is still around.  

If Solar Gold is gone then next in line was FC Dallas Black, Texas Lonestars, and then Texas Spirit North Red

Then from PPL D2 is AFC White and TFC White (will PPL Promote them over PPL D1 Teams that placed 11 thru 19?)

Tiki-taka wrote:These were the teams that had byes if they met the N+1 requirement and were coming back,  I'm not sure if there will be a placement tournament for PPL D1, I didn't think there would be one:

1. Frisco Fusion 01G
   NTX Strikers 01G (Now LH D3)
   FC Dallas 01G South Blue (Folded)
   Liverpool 01G Keegan
   Dallas Kicks East 01G (Folded)
   Solar Chelsea 01G Gold (?)
   Infinity FC 01G
   Odyssey SC 01G
   DTxn 01G White Dallas (Folded)
   Solar Chelsea 01G Navy
   
   

From LH regulated is Sting and AFC Red

That's eight teams If Solar Gold is still around.  

If Solar Gold is gone then next in line was FC Dallas Black, Texas Lonestars, and then Texas Spirit North Red

Then from PPL D2 is AFC White and TFC White (will PPL Promote them over PPL D1 Teams that placed 11 thru 19?)

My understanding is that Solar Gold folded. I know FCD Black did as well.

Solar Gold is gone. From what I can tell teams from ppl D2 will not move into D1 unless there aren't enough teams left from D1. Very curious to see how Plano decides final spots.

OrangeBlooded wrote:

Tiki-taka wrote:These were the teams that had byes if they met the N+1 requirement and were coming back,  I'm not sure if there will be a placement tournament for PPL D1, I didn't think there would be one:

1. Frisco Fusion 01G
   NTX Strikers 01G (Now LH D3)
   FC Dallas 01G South Blue (Folded)
   Liverpool 01G Keegan
   Dallas Kicks East 01G (Folded)
   Solar Chelsea 01G Gold (?)
   Infinity FC 01G
   Odyssey SC 01G
   DTxn 01G White Dallas (Folded)
   Solar Chelsea 01G Navy
   
   
   

From LH regulated is Sting and AFC Red

That's eight teams If Solar Gold is still around.  

If Solar Gold is gone then next in line was FC Dallas Black, Texas Lonestars, and then Texas Spirit North Red

Then from PPL D2 is AFC White and TFC White (will PPL Promote them over PPL D1 Teams that placed 11 thru 19?)

My understanding is that Solar Gold folded.  I know FCD Black did as well.

So in looking at the above list we have 7 spots for D1 made. PPL will have to ask is it better to fill the 3 spots down the list of the old Plano 1 or look at how the byes that were handed out in PPL 2 would fill the three spots which remain. It seems that looking at the results from QT and recent results might play into the decision. So if they give AFC and TFC White the 8th and 9th. Who do they give the 10th. Next in line or FC Trinity. If they base it on results would Trinity not be deserving or would the PPL 1's be more deserving.(many opinons on this) Then we are left with spots opening up in the D2 byes maybe no byes are giving to D2 then throw in the N+1. What a mess. Maybe the easiest thing is to give out the byes that are present then have it be settled on the field through the Placement Tourney for all the other spots. (people will complain on that one as well) It's going to be a process that Plano will have to study hard. I know one thing for sure at the end of the day no matter what Plano does someone will be upset and not like the way it was done.

MarvelousMar - I agree with you on this. I think the top 10 that still exist should make up the returning D1 with AFC Red and Sting regardless of roster n+1 questions. Then all other remaining spots should be determined based on placement tournament. Curious to see how Plano determines this.

Marvelousmar wrote:

OrangeBlooded wrote:

Tiki-taka wrote:These were the teams that had byes if they met the N+1 requirement and were coming back,  I'm not sure if there will be a placement tournament for PPL D1, I didn't think there would be one:

1. Frisco Fusion 01G
   NTX Strikers 01G (Now LH D3)
   FC Dallas 01G South Blue (Folded)
   Liverpool 01G Keegan
   Dallas Kicks East 01G (Folded)
   Solar Chelsea 01G Gold (?)
   Infinity FC 01G
   Odyssey SC 01G
   DTxn 01G White Dallas (Folded)
   Solar Chelsea 01G Navy
   
   
   

From LH regulated is Sting and AFC Red

That's eight teams If Solar Gold is still around.  

If Solar Gold is gone then next in line was FC Dallas Black, Texas Lonestars, and then Texas Spirit North Red

Then from PPL D2 is AFC White and TFC White (will PPL Promote them over PPL D1 Teams that placed 11 thru 19?)

My understanding is that Solar Gold folded.  I know FCD Black did as well.

So in looking at the above list we have 7 spots for D1 made.  PPL will have to ask is it better to fill the 3 spots down the list of the old Plano 1 or look at how the byes that were handed out in PPL 2 would fill the three spots which remain.  It seems that looking at the results from QT and recent results might play into the decision.  So if they give AFC and TFC White the 8th and 9th.  Who do they give the 10th. Next in line or FC Trinity.  If they base it on results would Trinity not be deserving or would the PPL 1's be more deserving.(many opinons on this)  Then we are left with spots opening up in the D2 byes maybe no byes are giving to D2 then throw in the N+1.  What a mess.  Maybe the easiest thing is to give out the byes that are present then have it be settled on the field through the Placement Tourney for all the other spots. (people will complain on that one as well) It's going to be a process that Plano will have to study hard.  I know one thing for sure at the end of the day no matter what Plano does someone will be upset and not like the way it was done.  

The teams that legitimately have byes will receive those byes. For the open spots, it will all come down to Plano doing things at "their discretion" regardless of what's written. They've done it in the past and they'll do it again. As another said on some other thread, their "rules" are more of "guidlelines" and Plano goes against them using whatever criteria they see fit.

AFC, TFC (Andromeda Blue), and Trinity should get byes into PPL 1. I have no issue stating that the top half of PPL 2 is much better then the bottom 6 of PPL 1. Plano has a tough decision a head of them. It will make for an interesting QT.

bigpapa89 wrote:AFC, TFC (Andromeda Blue), and Trinity should get byes into PPL 1. I have no issue stating that the top half of PPL 2 is much better then the bottom 6 of PPL 1. Plano has a tough decision a head of them. It will make for an interesting QT.

I would agree with this assessment with perhaps the exception of FC Trinity. (Fair warning to all: My daughter plays on Andromeda Blue - previously TFC White). PPL is changing their structure from what was previously a 19 team Division 1 to a 10 team Division 1. That makes perfect sense to me; the competition was far to0 diluted before.

The problem, however, is there were teams in D2 that worked hard to finish in the top two spots anticipating that they would be promoted under the old guidelines. Now the rules have changed. So in the case of AFC White and Andromeda Blue, they could be looking at another season of PPL D2 despite each having only lost a single game during an entire year in the league. Contrast that with some of the teams that finished at the very bottom of D1. We're talking teams that couldn't score 10 goals in the course of an entire year and/or finished with 1-4 wins: http://www.planoyouthsoccer.org/cgi-bin/2012_2013_Comp/schedules/

Personally, I'm hoping that PYSA will look at the entire picture for all teams when actually placing them; especially King Tut and the QT. The final decision is not going to make everyone happy, but I assume one of the goals is to try to create divisions that are competitive. When the bylaws have changed, adjustments have to be made. I hope they get it as close to "right" as possible.

The problem however, will be who defines "right". So many of these teams have changed from what they were. I think everyone would agree the AFC white and Andro deserves to be moved up based on their recent work at QT and recent tournaments. I think even those on the brink (12th and down in D1 ) would have to agree that it just seems right to allow those two in. How it all turns out is going to be interesting to say the least. I think the ultimate goal is to arrive at a competitive D1 D2 and D3 heck D4 if we end up with 40 teams. I think the simple question is does allowing teams that struggled in the old system without proving on the field that they have improved deserve a bye. That argument would still leave room for Plano to try to look at the body of work and make an educated decision. Hope a decision is yielded soon so everyone on the board can start complaining about who got the bye and who didn't get the bye. (I love the entertainment) Also curious if they give out any new byes in Division 2 if some are used up. PPL's phone has to be ringing off the hook. Just give them time folks I believe they will make the right decision. BTW note to self (have manager send flowers to PPL, card and a box of cookies)

SIR,
Last time I checked flowers, cookies, and a card would be considered a bribe. But if it works in any way please feel free to let me know.

I would agree that Andro Blue and AFC should get byes, but if they have another bye into ppl 1 i think by record trinity wouldn't be a bad option better then PPL 1 teams that may be left. I know there are a few teams in PPL 2 that have changed a bit, but they need to get on the field and show what they can do. The qt tournament is going to be interesting, and I wish the best of luck to everyone.

This horse may be beaten but it ain't dead yet.  

D1 Bye's

1.  Fusion
2.  Liverpool
3.  Infinity
4.  Odyssey
5.  Texans White
6.  Solar Chelsey Navy

Folded Teams that had D1 Bye's

FCD South
Kicks East
Solar Chelsey Gold

Will they give these Bye's to

AFC Red
Sting O'Keefe
AFC White (D2 Winners)
TFC White/Andro Blue (D2 2nd place)

OR will they go down the D1 line and give Bye's after the two LH teams get Bye's?

Seems to me that due to the fact that 3 D1 Bye teams folded and 1 D2 Bye team folded, that BOTH D1 and D2 divisions are open for QT competition.  I do think that the top 4 D2 teams could handle many of the bottom D1 teams easily (some have in summer tournaments).  I like the restructure of PPL but I am in agreement that some teams may get lost in the collective shuffle.

Soccer experts, please advise.  I usually miss something in translation so please be kind.  Just trying to sort it out in my mind.

Big Papa.

There was no intent to influence the decision of the fine people of PYSA.  The offer was made with the full understanding the late night that they would be struggling with having to make a decision that could potentially upset many.  

A flower tends to brighten up ones day and the cookies were only for a snack as the brain needs food in order to process the different scenarios.  The card was to let them know that we are all thinking about them.   I was going to sign in Tx.soccer.net

Sorry if there was any belief that this could be taken as some sort of gift to influence someone's decision.

I fully expect our team to have to play it out during that hot August weekend.

Can anyone confirm that the teams retained N+1? I heard of a lot of movement on several of the teams...
That could change/create even more openings in D1.

Where would a new "start up team" like Forney play into PPL QT?

(No personal connection with Forney. I met some of the parents at LHGC QT and they said theyd be 'shooting for PPL D1 if they didnt make LHGC.')

Can a new team break into D1 or will they need to 'work their way up' like in LHGC?

BTW: I think Forney is a team to watch. Well coached kids.

Unless there is a mandated bye, a team did not earn it. Let the teams play for the open spots. Otherwise, you get what is happening, which is coaches/managers calling up PPL and trying to convince PPL to give out discretionary byes.

Got to thinking let's say there are 3 open spots for Division 1. Two teams that earned a bye in Division 2 (AFC and Andro) the league says let's just play for it. Does AFC and Andro hold the bye given or do they enter the tourney trying to move up. Let's say 20 teams enter the placement tourney. Who get the 3 open spots. The team with the highest points or better yet percentage of available points. It just seems like it's not that easy unless you have 3 brackets of 8 or something weird like that. To me I think the best way would be using their discretion to fill out all the spots in Division 1. With whatever they feel is correct. Then look at the total number of teams entering into the Placement tourney or wanting a bye. Look at the body of work to see what is necessary to make the numbers work out again using their discretion. Let’s assume you have 24 in the placement tourney fill 4 byes. Then leave 6 divisions of 4 winner gets the 6 places straight up. Yes there may be seeding errors but that’s life ( you always hear about the group of death just have to handle what is placed before you and PPL has to rank the best they know how to. With the top 14 in the league or whatever the number is I think the QT becomes a more equally contested tourney no matter how the seeding falls out with the exception of new teams like Forney that there isn’t a whole lot of information on. Just an idea. All of this is speculation which should also go away once the byes are made official.

Marvelousmar wrote:Got to thinking let's say there are 3 open spots for Division 1. Two teams that earned a bye in Division 2 (AFC and Andro) the league says let's just play for it.  Does AFC and Andro hold the bye given or do they enter the tourney trying to move up.  Let's say 20 teams enter the placement tourney.  Who get the 3 open spots.  The team with the highest points or better yet percentage of available points.  It just seems like it's not that easy unless you have 3 brackets of 8 or something weird like that.  To me I think the best way would be using their discretion to fill out all the spots in Division 1.  With whatever they feel is correct.  Then look at the total number of teams entering into the Placement tourney or wanting a bye.  Look at the body of work to see what is necessary to make the numbers work out again using their discretion.  Let’s assume you have 24 in the placement tourney  fill 4 byes.  Then leave 6 divisions of 4 winner gets the 6 places straight up.  Yes there may be seeding errors but that’s life ( you always hear about the group of death just have to handle what is placed before you and PPL has to rank the best they know how to.  With the top 14 in the league  or whatever the number is I think the QT becomes a more equally contested tourney no matter how the seeding falls out with the exception of new teams like Forney that there isn’t a whole lot of information on.  Just an idea.  All of this is speculation which should also go away once the byes are made official.  

But why not use that discretion after the tourney, after they see what the teams have now?

Surviver01,
Buddy I would match several(about 5) ppl2 teams against most of ppl1 and most of the ppl2 teams would win! The bottom part of ppl1 is very week! I know my group can compete with anyone in ppl and the only reason we didn't go for d3 is because most of my squad was out of town! I've beaten several ppl1 teams in tournaments with my current squad!

Marvelousmar,
Sir I solute you in the flower, cookies, and card! I most def give you my blessing, and I'll even chip in for the cookies

survivor01 wrote:This horse may be beaten but it ain't dead yet.  

D1 Bye's

1.  Fusion
2.  Liverpool
3.  Infinity
4.  Odyssey
5.  Texans White
6.  Solar Chelsey Navy

Folded Teams that had D1 Bye's

FCD South
Kicks East
Solar Chelsey Gold

Will they give these Bye's to

AFC Red
Sting O'Keefe
AFC White (D2 Winners)
TFC White/Andro Blue (D2 2nd place)

OR will they go down the D1 line and give Bye's after the two LH teams get Bye's?

Seems to me that due to the fact that 3 D1 Bye teams folded and 1 D2 Bye team folded, that BOTH D1 and D2 divisions are open for QT competition.  I do think that the top 4 D2 teams could handle many of the bottom D1 teams easily (some have in summer tournaments).  I like the restructure of PPL but I am in agreement that some teams may get lost in the collective shuffle.

Soccer experts, please advise.  I usually miss something in translation so please be kind.  Just trying to sort it out in my mind.

Ummmm bigpapa, quoting myself above in red print.  I said that that the TOP 4 D2 teams could handle many of the bottom D1 teams easily (and some have) which is why I was wondering if any of the top D2 teams would get an opportunity to compete for PPL D1 because there were so many BYE's yet to be determined.  

survivor01,
My apoligies as a miss read your earlier post. Geez I think I need some reading glasses. My eye sight is starting to fail me.

Who will be the black horse this year in qt, and in league play? Who has registered to play in qt?

What is a BLACK HORSE? :)I have heard of BLACK SHEEP though if that is what you meant?