ECNL swings back at DA

To address GT7 playing time issues you need to compare. Every bench has kids that get limited to zero minutes in a match from ECNL to Lake Highlands to Plano/Arlington.

The difference with DA, is they mandate kids get a percentage of starting time. So if you are 17-20 you know you will get four days a week training opportunity to challenge for a spot, and a 1 in 4 start ratio. That is extremely more significant.

TulsaFootballDad wrote: TSCH was not founded by millionaires like some Dallas and Houston clubs who wanted a club for their DD's to play and do what they wished.

And which Dallas club would that be?

FC Dallas formerly the Burn

TulsaFootballDad wrote:FC Dallas formerly the Burn

Why worry with the truth, when you can just make it up?

to address timmyh and tpitty comments:            
Here are some excerpts from what US Soccer has published to date:  
From the girls DA faq:  "The projected pool would equate to approximately 23 players per age group for a total of 69 full-time players amongst the three age groups (U-14/15, U-16/17, and U-18/19)."
From the article summarizing the girls DA launch meeting in Chicago, under 'by the numbers' : "71 clubs, 5,000 players".  Doing the math, that's 70 players per club, which supports 23 players per age group.

If anyone has newer / different information from US Soccer, please post, but it certainly appears US Soccer plans on 23 per team for the first year.  

Specific to ECNL,  roster sizes vary but 18 is max game day roster. ECNL structure does differ considerably from DA. Each ECNL club has 6 teams, so around 40 more players per club. ECNL allows up to 7 subs per half, and 1h subs can re-enter in 2h. That structure enables reasonable playing time for all players (at the coaches discretion of course), even for rosters of 18.  
Incidentally, college sub rules are a little more flexible (no limits, can re-enter in 2h), which ironically means DA players will 'develop' under more stringent playing time conditions than what they will play under in college.
Perhaps US Soccer will make some structural changes before Fall 2017.

If thats not true then sorry but thats what I heard but Challenge in Houston was the main one I was talking about but lets no go overboard on what you consider truth on this board

Still, if DA does not allow outside sports, there will be a few to some athletes not willing to do that. I agree that there will be top talent there for sure, but there will be a ledge, then it could fall quick. Market determines majority of this. Just in the dallas market, which I am familiar with, if the da averages 12 girls per age group per team. Thats 48 girls each age group. How many out of that 48, that are probably on ecnl teams now, will commit to that sacrifice? 1/2, 3/4? I don't know. Will the rest be filled with what are now composite level players willing to make that sacrifice? Is this a bad thing? Or good in regards to more having opportunity to play more and access to see how they stack up against top competition?. I have watched a lot of ecnl games, zero da games, and I would say the da rules on subbing and starts would probably increase playing time distribution on 50% of ecnl rosters. Just thinking out loud.

Player Pool - DA Faqs

Roster minimum: Clubs must have a meet the following minimum requirements for full-time players on each age group throughout the season
U-12 Roster: Twenty-four (24) full-time players
U-13 Roster: Sixteen (16) full-time players
U-14 Roster: Sixteen (16) full-time player
Combined U-15/16 and U-17/18 Rosters: Thirty-two (32) full-time players
All players register directly with the U.S. Soccer Federation
Roster maximum: Clubs may have a maximum number of players for each Academy age group
U-12 Roster: Twenty-six (26) full-time players
U-13 Roster: Twenty (20) full-time players
U-14 Roster: Twenty (20) full-time players
Combined U-15/16 and U-17/18 Rosters: Clubs may have a maximum of forty-six (46) full-time players combined at the U-15/16 and U-17/18 age groups. Recommended roster size is twenty-three (23) players per age group, but clubs have roster flexibility at the two oldest age groups only, e.g. twenty-four (24) U-15/16 players and twenty-two (22) U-17/18 players would be permissible within the maximum total of forty-six (46)
All players register directly with the U.S. Soccer Federation
Development Players (DPs)
Development Players are players within your club structure that are not quite ready to be rostered as full-time players on the Academy team. DPs must come from within your club
DPs can play in a maximum of six (6) Academy games

TFD, are these boys numbers? Where is this info? Just a quick look, this is what I have always heard, find:

http://www.ussoccerda.com/girls-academy-faqs

"How many players will be on a roster?

As a combined age group, players are encouraged to play up and clubs will have groups of players that they will move up and move freely among age groups within their Academy program. The projected pool would equate to approximately 23 players per age group for a total of 69 full-time players amongst the three age groups (U-14/15, U-16/17, and U-18/19)."

A lot of the same comments were being said when ECNL came on line. Players will not develope with the substitution rules, pay to play model excludes players, travel will be to expensive, and ECNL will implode is a few years. Now DA comes in with same amount of travel, compensation for players, 5 sub rule but players must start 25% of matches, and coaches must be A liscese to coach. I am a parent I'm sorry what are we complaining about. I have paid plenty of money to these clubs. I don't see why a club would refuse due to money. I think they have made plenty of money off players to not fund the top players in their clubs. Just my opinion.

Zizou I wish TSCH had accepted since my DD falls in the top category for her age but the market is what it is here and we are not as fortunate to have as many top clubs as you do in Dallas.

Fireman that is the boys faq the girls say 23 per age group for a total per club of 69 but this was also the way the boys originally started out in Cali where im from and then they changed to the present roster size so expect it to jump to maximum rosters with in a couple of years

Dallas clubs will run into some of the same issues with how to supplement their DA rosters fairly. It just seems a little selfish of the clubs to deny their top players the opportunity to play against other elite players within the region and nationally due to worry they might not make as much money. All clubs involved is DA will have reduced revenue due to DA, but not to try and or work through it. My DD and I would be pissed.

TulsaFootballDad wrote:FC Dallas formerly the Burn

Hilarious. The guys who founded the club(s) that became FCD youth will get a kick out of this one. And no, the youth side was not previously the Burn. But thanks for playing.

Glad you got your rocks off

5 ECNL teams per club (not counting composite) at 18 players each is 90 roster spots for the 5 teams per club.  DA will have 3 teams that can dress 18 per match so 54 spots per club.  What I dont hear anyone talk about is where players 54-90 are going to go?  Everyone seems to assume when the music stops they will have a chair.

Zizou wrote:Dallas clubs will run into some of the same issues with how to supplement their DA rosters fairly. It just seems a little selfish of the clubs to deny their top players the opportunity to play against other elite players within the region and nationally due to worry they might not make as much money. All clubs involved is DA will have reduced revenue due to DA, but not to try and or work through it. My DD and I would be pissed.

no doubt they will recover it in other ways

SoccerTexas wrote:5 ECNL teams per club (not counting composite) at 18 players each is 90 roster spots for the 5 teams per club.  DA will have 3 teams that can dress 18 per match so 54 spots per club.  What I dont hear anyone talk about is where players 54-90 are going to go?  Everyone seems to assume when the music stops they will have a chair.

Not to beat a dead horse, but if they follow the pattern of the boys, there will also be PA for the younger kids in the age group that aren't ready for the first team. So in a 15/16's the 15's would play PA under a different league (USCLUB). Then slot up into the 16's the following year under USSDA.

5050Ball wrote:

TulsaFootballDad wrote:FC Dallas formerly the Burn

Hilarious.  The guys who founded the club(s) that became FCD youth will get a kick out of this one.  And no, the youth side was not previously the Burn.  But thanks for playing.

Hopefully I remember this correctly. The pro side was the burn, then FCD. The youth side with Dallas Inter, correct or nah? It's been a minute.

tpitty wrote:

5050Ball wrote:

TulsaFootballDad wrote:FC Dallas formerly the Burn

Hilarious.  The guys who founded the club(s) that became FCD youth will get a kick out of this one.  And no, the youth side was not previously the Burn.  But thanks for playing.

Hopefully I remember this correctly. The pro side was the burn, then FCD. The youth side with Dallas Inter, correct or nah? It's been a minute.

correct

Thanks for the info sorry for the misstatement previously posted

TulsaFootballDad wrote:If thats not true then sorry but thats what I heard but Challenge in Houston was the main one I was talking about but lets no go overboard on what you consider truth on this board

Its posted on their website. Huston and Lyons started the club and its stated why they started it... not some tacky hidden agenda...

Both Huston girls went on to play play at University of Virginia and NORTH CAROLINA... hhmmm, they could actually play.

Having had a family member that played for Challenge in arguably one of their strongest classes to ever come out of that club... that club was no joke back in the day, was started because of yes, their daughters, but yearly sent tons of talent to top D1 programs, back when select was select.

knock them all you want, but they did produce the goods.

Never said they didn't produce quality players I said only that TSCH was not founded by a millionaire and did not have the funds as same as some of the MLS academies orotger metro clubs. Read the post.

We all read the post... shots at club founders... what they all produced were opportunities for kids to play.

AtThePitch, If you call that a shot then take it any way you wish at club founders. As far as GDA discussion thats the purpose of this forum if you have thin skin thats not my issue.

Thin skin nope, bored and messing with an okie... hell yeah. Lol