DA, ECNL, LH Solution

C'mon now SOAP -- We know each other and you're better than that.

Wazup -- What do you think I'm selling and to whom?  What "facts" are you referring to?  I was just trying to have insightful, well thought out conversation with ole soccerjack.  Let's take a gander at what I've just written ...

"The talent in this age group is not as abundant at FCD as the 04s and top of the 05s, but CR is a solid coach -- he should have them making strides in his second year with them.  And a couple of strong 07 teams already in house should make that group very formidable next year."

then wrote ...

"All I know is I've heard that FCD has a solid well of 07 talent ... so to address the validity of my previous (and actually relevant) point -- they should be pretty formidable in that group next year in JDL."

Yep ... I told ya that I know zip about the 07 age group, and that I heard there was a good well of talent (which there would be even if they have one team ranked up there nationally) --

what I said about the 04 and 05s - truth
FCD 06s lacking in taklent - truth
CP is a solid coach - truth
FCD 07s have a well of talent and should be formidable next year - truth

You kids still think I'm on here to sell FC Dallas and JDL, when much of which I post is regarding the downfalls of each.  Those of us on this forum constantly in defense of our posts due to scrutiny of every word we write are only doing so to counter the detractors and haters that post primarily with emotion and subjectivity.  

Tell me more about the Kool Aid I must be drinking ... is it the same flavor at the other clubs my kids play for?  Let's try to be a touch more open minded and bit less intellectually lazy ... K?

BigErn wrote:C'mon now SOAP -- We know each other and you're better than that.

Wazup -- What do you think I'm selling and to whom?  What "facts" are you referring to?  I was just trying to have insightful, well thought out conversation with ole soccerjack.  Let's take a gander at what I've just written ...

"The talent in this age group is not as abundant at FCD as the 04s and top of the 05s, but CR is a solid coach -- he should have them making strides in his second year with them.  And a couple of strong 07 teams already in house should make that group very formidable next year."

then wrote ...

"All I know is I've heard that FCD has a solid well of 07 talent ... so to address the validity of my previous (and actually relevant) point -- they should be pretty formidable in that group next year in JDL."

Yep ... I told ya that I know zip about the 07 age group, and that I heard there was a good well of talent (which there would be even if they have one team ranked up there nationally) --

what I said about the 04 and 05s - truth
FCD 06s lacking in taklent - truth
CP is a solid coach - truth
FCD 07s have a well of talent and should be formidable next year - truth

You kids still think I'm on here to sell FC Dallas and JDL, when much of which I post is regarding the downfalls of each.  Those of us on this forum constantly in defense of our posts due to scrutiny of every word we write are only doing so to counter the detractors and haters that post primarily with emotion and subjectivity.  

Tell me more about the Kool Aid I must be drinking ... is it the same flavor at the other clubs my kids play for?  Let's try to be a touch more open minded and bit less intellectually lazy ... K?

not so much, as Axel has repeatedly pointed out

a single team is not a well (or a wealth) of talent

wazup wrote:

BigErn wrote:C'mon now SOAP -- We know each other and you're better than that.

Wazup -- What do you think I'm selling and to whom?  What "facts" are you referring to?  I was just trying to have insightful, well thought out conversation with ole soccerjack.  Let's take a gander at what I've just written ...

"The talent in this age group is not as abundant at FCD as the 04s and top of the 05s, but CR is a solid coach -- he should have them making strides in his second year with them.  And a couple of strong 07 teams already in house should make that group very formidable next year."

then wrote ...

"All I know is I've heard that FCD has a solid well of 07 talent ... so to address the validity of my previous (and actually relevant) point -- they should be pretty formidable in that group next year in JDL."

Yep ... I told ya that I know zip about the 07 age group, and that I heard there was a good well of talent (which there would be even if they have one team ranked up there nationally) --

what I said about the 04 and 05s - truth
FCD 06s lacking in taklent - truth
CP is a solid coach - truth
FCD 07s have a well of talent and should be formidable next year - truth

You kids still think I'm on here to sell FC Dallas and JDL, when much of which I post is regarding the downfalls of each.  Those of us on this forum constantly in defense of our posts due to scrutiny of every word we write are only doing so to counter the detractors and haters that post primarily with emotion and subjectivity.  

Tell me more about the Kool Aid I must be drinking ... is it the same flavor at the other clubs my kids play for?  Let's try to be a touch more open minded and bit less intellectually lazy ... K?

not so much, as Axel has repeatedly pointed out

a single team is not a well (or a wealth) of talent

Solar has 4 in top 8 (2,5,7,8 )
Kicks has 2 in top 10 (1, 10)
Sting has 2 in top 9 (6 and 9)
Texans have 2 in top 11. (4,11)
(all per FBR posted 3/31/17)

Yet the plethora or deep well of talent lies at FCD with a 3 and a 12(that plays silver division possibly with help).  Ok, sure Big E, I guess the Big 4 plus Kicks has a well of talent in 07s.

Geez...let the pile on begin. Can't tell if this is an fcd or ern hate fest.

It's both, but you have to keep up.

KeeperCommander wrote:It's both, but you have to keep up.

If you have followed Big Ern, JDL wasn't an immediate success because certain clubs didn't "buy in."  I don't necessarily disagree. But for the sake of JDL, FCD shouldn't enter a second team into JDL at the 07 level. To do otherwise would weaken what JDL is meant to be.  FCD can't buy into the goal of JDL, because they simply don't have the pool of 07 players. Kind of shocking given the number of teams.

On another note, if you're a "name chaser" and an 07, run to FCD. There should be plenty of opportunities to join a second JDL team. You can go to Feet too for that matter.  JK's departure left them hardly able to field a worthy first team.

ForReal wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:It's both, but you have to keep up.

If you have followed Big Ern, JDL wasn't an immediate success because certain clubs didn't "buy in."  I don't necessarily disagree. But for the sake of JDL, FCD shouldn't enter a second team into JDL at the 07 level. To do otherwise would weaken what JDL is meant to be.  FCD can't buy into the goal of JDL, because they simply don't have the pool of 07 players. Kind of shocking given the number of teams.

On another note, if you're a "name chaser" and an 07, run to FCD. There should be plenty of opportunities to join a second JDL team. You can go to Feet too for that matter.  JK's departure left them hardly able to field a worthy first team.

Have you seen what the Texans and DFeeters are rolling out in 06 JDL? The league obviously does not care about talent, as long as the bigs have their representation.

Bodhisattva wrote:

ForReal wrote:

KeeperCommander wrote:It's both, but you have to keep up.

If you have followed Big Ern, JDL wasn't an immediate success because certain clubs didn't "buy in."  I don't necessarily disagree. But for the sake of JDL, FCD shouldn't enter a second team into JDL at the 07 level. To do otherwise would weaken what JDL is meant to be.  FCD can't buy into the goal of JDL, because they simply don't have the pool of 07 players. Kind of shocking given the number of teams.

On another note, if you're a "name chaser" and an 07, run to FCD. There should be plenty of opportunities to join a second JDL team. You can go to Feet too for that matter.  JK's departure left them hardly able to field a worthy first team.

Have you seen what the Texans and DFeeters are rolling out in 06 JDL? The league obviously does not care about talent, as long as the bigs have their representation.

Again - JDL is not interested in having the best teams.  It is about having the best teams the bigs can put out there.

If there was a real interest in having the cream of the crop competing week-to-week, there are better ways to go about doing that.  If you want an exclusive league to cater to the haves - you create JDL.

You can claim you have the "elite league" - AND have the ability to dual roster player into LH D1 to maintain your LHGCL slots.

What's wrong with that! Damn seems they have been able to control both leagues. monopoly!

Is the goal of JDL to:

(1) provide the most competitive games week-to-week, or
(2) consolidate talent at the bigs?

These goals are generally exclusive of each other.

With JDL, clubs can -

(1) sell JDL involvement to recruit players from non-JDL clubs
(2) have a free pass into the JDL league - even if teams are non-competitive
(3) dual-roster players with LH teams to avoid CPP rules
(4) "loan" players to LH teams to save D1 byes


If this was really about providing the best competition week-after-week, LHGCL could create a "Premier" division that:

(1) eliminates (or limits) automatic bids - say, provide 1 automatic bid to each of the bigs, and then have a play-in tournament each year.  No more relying on a record from a free club bye for players who never earned it.  (You could even have a rules that allow a top # finisher to receive a bye the following season if, say 75% of the team returns - but that would require keeping score.)

(2) places the division under the same transfer rules (same-day loans) as the rest of LHGCL (all this talk about limiting games and scoring pressures, and then the coaches turn around and dual-roster players between JDL and LH - some girls are playing multiple games in a day)

(3) places the division under the same CPP rules (limits to the # of players playing down, limits to CPP the final 3 games - currently, the bigs have wide ability to shift/share players from JDL to LH to save their LH byes)

(4) requires minimum licensing requirements

The division could still be free to set its own game rules regarding play-time, substitution, roster size, etc.



But let's be honest here - this would never happen. A plan like this limits the power and representation of the bigs - and why would they want to do that?

The bigs run LHGCL, they run JDL, and they have no interest in giving up an ounce of control.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner

LHGCL could have done that 5-6 years ago when the complaints were about the league promoting win at any cost, out of control coaches, players, parents, and referees with little regard for safety of players. They chose not to listen. So five years later, well now you see. Yatzie!

I am pretty sure I predicted this happening about 2-3 years ago.

wazup wrote:Is the goal of JDL to:

(1) provide the most competitive games week-to-week, or
(2) consolidate talent at the bigs?

These goals are generally exclusive of each other.

With JDL, clubs can -

(1) sell JDL involvement to recruit players from non-JDL clubs
(2) have a free pass into the JDL league - even if teams are non-competitive
(3) dual-roster players with LH teams to avoid CPP rules
(4) "loan" players to LH teams to save D1 byes


If this was really about providing the best competition week-after-week, LHGCL could create a "Premier" division that:

(1) eliminates (or limits) automatic bids - say, provide 1 automatic bid to each of the bigs, and then have a play-in tournament each year.  No more relying on a record from a free club bye for players who never earned it.  (You could even have a rules that allow a top # finisher to receive a bye the following season if, say 75% of the team returns - but that would require keeping score.)

(2) places the division under the same transfer rules (same-day loans) as the rest of LHGCL (all this talk about limiting games and scoring pressures, and then the coaches turn around and dual-roster players between JDL and LH - some girls are playing multiple games in a day)

(3) places the division under the same CPP rules (limits to the # of players playing down, limits to CPP the final 3 games - currently, the bigs have wide ability to shift/share players from JDL to LH to save their LH byes)

(4) requires minimum licensing requirements

The division could still be free to set its own game rules regarding play-time, substitution, roster size, etc.



But let's be honest here - this would never happen.  A plan like this limits the power and representation of the bigs - and why would they want to do that?

The bigs run LHGCL, they run JDL, and they have no interest in giving up an ounce of control.

The goal was to create an un "exclusive league" to cut off competition. They don't need no stinkin licenses! Or rules....

Zizou wrote:LHGCL could have done that 5-6 years ago when the complaints were about the league promoting win at any cost, out of control coaches, players, parents, and referees with little regard for safety of players. They chose not to listen. So five years later, well now you see. Yatzie!

Absolutely correct.

Bodhisattva wrote:

ForReal wrote:

On another note, if you're a "name chaser" and an 07, run to FCD. There should be plenty of opportunities to join a second JDL team. You can go to Feet too for that matter.  JK's departure left them hardly able to field a worthy first team.

Have you seen what the Texans and DFeeters are rolling out in 06 JDL? The league obviously does not care about talent, as long as the bigs have their representation.

The new Super Team should fix the Texans issue for 07. Feet? Not so much.

wazup wrote:The bigs run LHGCL, they run JDL, and they have no interest in giving up an ounce of control.

Well... DUH!

The 5 ECNL clubs have represented roughly 60% of LHGCL's business for over a decade, and those 5 clubs have shown at least some level of ability to work together to get things that they want (see Club Byes, CPP, JDL, TCL, etc.). They get what they want because there is always the looming threat that would take their business away and go it alone if necessary. If you were running a business, you'd cater to the 5 customers that make up 60% of your revenue at the risk of alienating some of the 20 or 30 other customers that make up the remaining 40% of your business as well.

You want leverage... go get the 20 or 30+ other clubs that make up the remaining 40% of LHGCL to band together and form your own league and exclude the ECNL clubs from participating. Of course, be careful what you wish for, and hope you enjoy the competition level in that league...

bwgophers wrote:

wazup wrote:The bigs run LHGCL, they run JDL, and they have no interest in giving up an ounce of control.

Well... DUH!

The 5 ECNL clubs have represented roughly 60% of LHGCL's business for over a decade, and those 5 clubs have shown at least some level of ability to work together to get things that they want (see Club Byes, CPP, JDL, TCL, etc.).  They get what they want because there is always the looming threat that would take their business away and go it alone if necessary.  If you were running a business, you'd cater to the 5 customers that make up 60% of your revenue at the risk of alienating some of the 20 or 30 other customers that make up the remaining 40% of your business as well.

You want leverage... go get the 20 or 30+ other clubs that make up the remaining 40% of LHGCL to band together and form your own league and exclude the ECNL clubs from participating.  Of course, be careful what you wish for, and hope you enjoy the competition level in that league...

Bingo!

Shhh!  Don't tell BigE that the bigs run JDL.  

He thinks JDL was created and is governed by “LHGCL” (whoever they are).  Someone didn't let him in on the secret that LHGCL and JDL are run by the bigs.

Doesn't matter anyway, since "after U12 the bigs at the bigs do not care about LHGCL - it very literally is an afterthought."  Somehow I think the bigs WOULD care if all their select teams left after reaching U12.

JDL is governed by LHGCL. Lake highland's is not stupid enough to think that the 40%'s will keep them in buisness. They are also fighting to stay relevant just as you are.

LHGCL bylaws- Operation Prohibitions. The League and its Board of Directors shall not do any act which shall constitute a basis for denial of tax exemption under applicable laws, including, without limitation, the following:
1. The League shall not:
a. Lend any part of its income or corpus, without receipt of adequate security and a reasonable rate of interest;
b. Pay any compensation in excess of a reasonable allowance for salaries or other compensation for personal services actually rendered;
c. Make any part of its services available on a preferential basis.

LHGCL is running JDL, a league which excludes all but 5 clubs. Who wants to stand on their head and explain to me which part of the English language I do not understand?

Hey you can hire soapbox mom.

Good luck to you, but I bet your going to run into a loophole.

Loophole like we are just running the league. League management.

Jdl is separate from LHGCL and has its own by laws, but we collect the checks for running it.

But hey Que soapboxmom, she would know!