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FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by Flash on 07/12/17, 10:09 am

Although it would be nice to see some of the more experienced coaches focus on the Academy ranks, it certainly appears that the demands on a coach's time at the Select level makes it very tough. Perhaps having these coaches take one less select team and always work with at least one Academy group for a club would be the best for development or players (and younger coaches).

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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by NoSpinZone on 07/12/17, 10:21 am

Flash wrote:Although it would be nice to see some of the more experienced coaches focus on the Academy ranks, it certainly appears that the demands on a coach's time at the Select level makes it very tough.  Perhaps having these coaches take one less select team and always work with at least one Academy group for a club would be the best for development or players (and younger coaches).  

What is best for players and development and best for a coaches wallet is generally not the same thing.

Coaches make much more money with a select team.  Given fairly equal time demands, which would most choose?  Plus tick an academy parent off, they leave today, tick a select parent off, they generally stuck until next contract time.  Right or wrong, coaches have more freedom in Select with regards to position, and on PT of players, less chance players leave mid year.

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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by ACNova09 on 07/12/17, 11:01 am

Does JM not get any consideration for one of the best coaches out there? I've known the man for quite some time and what he does here in the south is nothing short of amazing.

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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by President Camacho on 07/12/17, 11:02 am

Flash wrote:Although it would be nice to see some of the more experienced coaches focus on the Academy ranks, it certainly appears that the demands on a coach's time at the Select level makes it very tough.  Perhaps having these coaches take one less select team and always work with at least one Academy group for a club would be the best for development or players (and younger coaches).  
Skill set plays into it as well. Some coaches don't have the temperament the academy players or just don't relate well so they focus on what ages they are good at.
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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by Flash on 07/12/17, 11:18 am

JonSneauxTargaryen wrote:can someone enlighten me on the "right way" to play soccer? asking for a friend....

Serious question though.

That statement goes with the rest of those key words or phrases that sound great from coaches and validating to parents.

like..."I focus on development, the right way to play, we play a Barcelona style of soccer, we will work on possession and working the ball from the back, the best kids will get PT, hard work is rewarded"....etc.

until that tournament or tough rival game comes up.


I always enjoy coaches that are "focused on development" and the "long-term picture" who seem to always have new players and everyone on the roster is born between January-March. Must be just a coincidence.
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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by Flash on 07/12/17, 11:27 am

NoSpinZone wrote:
Flash wrote:Although it would be nice to see some of the more experienced coaches focus on the Academy ranks, it certainly appears that the demands on a coach's time at the Select level makes it very tough.  Perhaps having these coaches take one less select team and always work with at least one Academy group for a club would be the best for development or players (and younger coaches).  

What is best for players and development and best for a coaches wallet is generally not the same thing.

Coaches make much more money with a select team.  Given fairly equal time demands, which would most choose?  Plus tick an academy parent off, they leave today, tick a select parent off, they generally stuck until next contract time.  Right or wrong, coaches have more freedom in Select with regards to position, and on PT of players, less chance players leave mid year.

Good point. Sometimes I forget that coaches actually need to make a living and might be motivated by more than just "the love of the game." ... tossing my rose-tinted glasses in the trash now...
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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by PLAY2FEET!! on 07/12/17, 11:40 am

ACNova09 wrote:Does JM not get any consideration for one of the best coaches out there? I've known the man for quite some time and what he does here in the south is nothing short of amazing.
Absolutely. Right up there at the top. Wink
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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by PLAY2FEET!! on 07/12/17, 12:12 pm

NoSpinZone wrote:
Flash wrote:Although it would be nice to see some of the more experienced coaches focus on the Academy ranks, it certainly appears that the demands on a coach's time at the Select level makes it very tough.  Perhaps having these coaches take one less select team and always work with at least one Academy group for a club would be the best for development or players (and younger coaches).  

What is best for players and development and best for a coaches wallet is generally not the same thing.

Coaches make much more money with a select team.  Given fairly equal time demands, which would most choose?  Plus tick an academy parent off, they leave today, tick a select parent off, they generally stuck until next contract time.  Right or wrong, coaches have more freedom in Select with regards to position, and on PT of players, less chance players leave mid year.

E's list is certainly one person's opinion. There are some on this list I've seen for several years now that I wouldn't trust with my DD's development.There are several variables to a coaches effectiveness with players. What works for certain players, does not work with others.

IF US Soccer really wanted to make an impact on development with the DA program, the u-littles is exactly where they should focus these top coaches. Supplement the best coaches pay at u6-u13, so that kids can learn the game at an earlier age, and coaches aren't worried about Suzy leaving and taking her wallet with her. As they get older, the DA should shrink in size in the number of participants. Allowing the cream to rise to the top. But that's a topic for another day.
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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by Big Ern on 07/12/17, 12:21 pm

ACNova09 wrote:Does JM not get any consideration for one of the best coaches out there? I've known the man for quite some time and what he does here in the south is nothing short of amazing.

ABSOLUTELY ACNova ... I must admit I screwed up there --

JM certainly belongs on this list ... that dude can coach circles around most!

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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by Socc-It-To-Me on 14/12/17, 09:54 am

Anyone have any thoughts on whether the Rush Elite team is (1) just a typical #1 team for the age group, as every age group obviously has a #1 team, or (2) more of an exceptional team that only comes around once every 5 or 10 years?

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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by NoSpinZone on 14/12/17, 10:07 am

NewbSoccer wrote:Anyone have any thoughts on whether the Rush Elite team is (1) just a typical #1 team for the age group, as every age group obviously has a #1 team, or (2) more of an exceptional team that only comes around once every 5 or 10 years?

Typical: 03s had SRSA, 04 had RASE, not sure on 05s, 06s had Selecao(prior to age change), 07s had a few teams that compete up(will draw some fire there). 08s have a couple good ones playing up.

The top team in each age group can compete with all but top few of the year up. So, nothing THAT special. Just a quick gotsoccer look.. and they lost 4-1 to Texans 08s lost to couple Sting 08s and Solar 08 teams. Top 09 team for sure, but nothing that special for top team in age group. I would even argue they aren't as special as 03 SRSA, 04 RASE or 06 Selecao, but that is very subjective.

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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by JonSneauxTargaryen on 14/12/17, 10:36 am

I thinks it’s too early to call...
I have yet to see them play and didn’t see much SRSA but RASE couldn’t be kept up with in Academy as much as I hate to say that. They had shooters from front to back, speed, and skill as well as a great coach.

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Re: FBR09 Rankings December 4th, 2017

Post by timmyh on 14/12/17, 04:12 pm

NewbSoccer wrote:Anyone have any thoughts on whether the Rush Elite team is (1) just a typical #1 team for the age group, as every age group obviously has a #1 team, or (2) more of an exceptional team that only comes around once every 5 or 10 years?

Generally, the handful of "special" teams throughout the years were able to compete well (and even often beat) the top 2 or 3 teams a year older. As of right now, I don't think Rush is on that level. They'd be more likely to slot in as, say, a top 6 team a year up (which is typical for a #1 team) rather than a top 2 team a year up.
No shame in that, though. It's a great team and I really LOVE the way they play. GV has them playing some extremely attractive soccer.

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