FCD DA vs Solar DA '05

While Solar had slightly the better results in the fall matchup, today was a very good day for FCD. Three wins, three ties, no losses. First time since DA started that one of the two clubs didn't win a single game in a full slate of matchups?

timmyh wrote:While Solar had slightly the better results in the fall matchup, today was a very good day for FCD. Three wins, three ties, no losses.  First time since DA started that one of the two clubs didn't win a single game in a full slate of matchups?

Solar had a few key players missing in two age groups that flew out for national call ups yesterday, so yesterday was a good day for Solar as well.

Straighttalk wrote:Too much of that fcd coolaid got you sick .
2-2 draw . 2 redcards.
Didn’t look like a soccer game.

05DD wrote:Part III coming up this weekend. My guess would be FCD looking to reassert their dominance. FCD 4-1

 No koolaid. Probably underestimated the rivalry factor. Solar gave a great effort. I actually thought it was a really good game until the incident. Too bad too. Good game with some seriously skilled players on both sides.

Lol..
“Probably “ Is it?

05DD wrote:

Straighttalk wrote:Too much of that fcd coolaid got you sick .
2-2 draw . 2 redcards.
Didn’t look like a soccer game.

05DD wrote:Part III coming up this weekend. My guess would be FCD looking to reassert their dominance. FCD 4-1

 No koolaid. Probably underestimated the rivalry factor. Solar gave a great effort. I actually thought it was a really good game until the incident. Too bad too. Good game with some seriously skilled players on both sides.

interesting observation when comparing DA rosters of Solar and FCD and where these "best of the best" were originally/primarily developed (ie, U12 & younger).  

Hint:  generally, not the clubs they are currently on.

Solar 05 GDA:
#1: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#2: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#3: Texans and Florida
#4: Liverpool (Adam Flynn)
#5: Solar (Matt Colvin)
#7: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#10 DTS (Gabe Adames, and both parents who were professional soccer players)
#11: Solar (Matt Colvin)
#12: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#13: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#16: Sting (Daniel Diaz)
#17: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#20: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#22: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#23: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#55: Solar (Chris Pulpaneck)

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FCD 05 GDA:
#1: Andromeda
#2: Nashville, TN
#3: Houston Dash
#6: Sting (Audrey Gutierrez)
#7: FCD
#8: Liverpool and Solar (Tahlon Drake & Chris Pulpaneck)
#9: Sting (Daniel Diaz & Audrey Gutierrez)
#10: Lady Aztecs (Jaime Arnold)
#11: Kicks/Solar (Juan Martinez & Matt Colvin)
#13: Solar (Chris Pulpaneck)
#19: D'Feeters (Babak Abouzar & Frank Colon)
#21: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#22: FCD
#24: Texans
#25: FCD
#44: Kicks/D'Feeters

So, for Solar, only 2 players developed from within, and for FCD, only 3.

Looks like clear winners in development are:  Gabe Adames, Juan Martinez, and Chris Pulpaneck.

I would invite any corrections/amendments as I might not have every history perfectly detailed.

So..... develop at those clubs and leave for FCD and Solar?

Another question would be if the development is so great there why would most if not all leave those clubs at the ripe ol age of 10 years old?

I mean, Solars 05 team was basically Gabe’s team. Eventually all players should move on to another coach anyways. Like FCD 04 DA is basically Lee’s team. And at some point in the 04 age group, between Solar and FCD...those girls played for Lee and or Pulp. Count em. But that’s some research you did there.

PLAYERONE wrote:Another question would be if the development is so great there why would most if not all leave those clubs at the ripe ol age of 10 years old?

I think that is a fair question but in the case of Kicks Selecao, it was the fact that DKSC does not have DA.  

And, DTS merged with Solar, so if you look at it that way, over 2/3rds of Solar's roster is home-grown.

FCD strategy seems to be to let others develop the talent at the youth level, and then poach at U13 by wowing them with the facilities and empty promises.

It’s normal there is tons of player movements to fcd , solar once select starts .
These are the players that survived dirty and cruel soccer politics. The other 90% that moved / developed within these clubs perished already.

[quote="PLAYERONE"]Another question would be if the development is so great there why would most if not all leave those clubs at the ripe ol age of 10 years old? [/qu

FCD poaches? Or maybe provides better opportunity. for Elite players. I don’t recall Texans, DF/kicks, or Sting having any players on the national team currently or ever in the past.

It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.

Everyone poaches.  Solar and FCD just happen to be at the top of the food chain with regards to a lot of things that appeal to players with certain quality and aspirations.  There are very valid reasons why such a player might think they are more likely to accomplish their goals by moving from, say, Texans/Sting/DK to the DA teams at Solar or FCD, and very valid reasons why another player might think they are more likely to accomplish their goals by moving from, say, a non-DA/ECNL team to Texans/Sting/DK.
It's the circle of soccer.  And to be honest, such movement and consolidation is a probably a good thing in the big picture that helps facilitate the production of higher quality players and teams across the board.

soccerphreak wrote:interesting observation when comparing DA rosters of Solar and FCD and where these "best of the best" were originally/primarily developed (ie, U12 & younger).  

Hint:  generally, not the clubs they are currently on.

Solar 05 GDA:
#1: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#2: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#3: Texans and Florida
#4: Liverpool (Adam Flynn)
#5: Solar (Matt Colvin)
#7: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#10 DTS (Gabe Adames, and both parents who were professional soccer players)
#11: Solar (Matt Colvin)
#12: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#13: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#16: Sting (Daniel Diaz)
#17: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#20: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#22: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#23: DTS (Gabe Adames)
#55: Solar (Chris Pulpaneck)

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FCD 05 GDA:
#1: Andromeda
#2: Nashville, TN
#3: Houston Dash
#6: Sting (Audrey Gutierrez)
#7: FCD
#8: Liverpool and Solar (Tahlon Drake & Chris Pulpaneck)
#9: Sting (Daniel Diaz & Audrey Gutierrez)
#10: Lady Aztecs (Jaime Arnold)
#11: Kicks/Solar (Juan Martinez & Matt Colvin)
#13: Solar (Chris Pulpaneck)
#19: D'Feeters (Babak Abouzar & Frank Colon)
#21: Kicks (Juan Martinez)
#22: FCD
#24: Texans
#25: FCD
#44: Kicks/D'Feeters

So, for Solar, only 2 players developed from within, and for FCD, only 3.

Looks like clear winners in development are:  Gabe Adames, Juan Martinez, and Chris Pulpaneck.

I would invite any corrections/amendments as I might not have every history perfectly detailed.

Curious...How much new player recruitment/movement has there been since U13 and the initial formation of these DA teams?

PLAYERONE wrote:FCD poaches? Or maybe provides better opportunity.   for Elite players.   I don’t recall Texans, DF/kicks, or Sting having any players on the national team currently or ever in the past.  

It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.  

Your memory or knowledge is lacking P1.  Ever hear of Sam Meza?  I think there was another that went to YNT camp as well, from Kicks, but dont recall name, could be wrong on the 2nd girl.

Nope, SM has been at Solar for 3 plus years. How far are we going back here? She didn’t reach national prominence (USGNT) as well as receive all of the D1 offers until she went to solar.

So again I will ask why did she move then? Why leave such a great coach, club, and dynamic training program?

Kind of like saying Portugal Sporting CP was responsible for developing Ronaldo CR7.

I'm pretty sure BolierJoe is right on this one. She was on the USGNT while at Kicks if memory serves me correctly.

I think Kicks put SM on the local map and Solar took it further...otherwise why would she leave AND be the only one to leave that Kicks team.

Yes.  BoilerJoe is correct.  She was already in the GNT rotation while with Juan at Kicks.  I’m pretty sure that it became clear to her that if she wanted to stay in the good graces of USSF and thus in the GNT rotation, that she needed to move to one of the DA clubs when DA was formed.  She was already getting big time interest from the D1 powerhouses before going to Solar, and would have still gotten all the offers if she stayed with Juan at Kicks and the USSF and big club politics (both DA and ECNL) weren’t in play here.

So you kicks boys are hangin your hat on one player, 3 years ago, and one out of thousand players that JM has coached in 15 years? At this point its sound like a blind squirrel finding the nut analogy.

All glory to god, can I get an amen?

PLAYERONE wrote:So you kicks boys are hangin your hat on one player, 3 years ago, and one out of thousand players that JM has coached in 15 years? At this point its sound like a blind squirrel finding the  nut analogy.

All glory to god, can I get an amen?    

PLAYERONE wrote:FCD poaches? Or maybe provides better opportunity.   for Elite players.   I don’t recall Texans, DF/kicks, or Sting having any players on the national team currently or ever in the past.  

It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.  

Well, as of right now, there are NO women with NTX ties that I am aware of on USWNT.  However, if you want to talk about NTX players that have been in rotation on various YNT's, in recent years that have NTX ties that weren't from Solar or FCD, here's just a few that I know of (I could go back even earlier than '98's and add some, including at least one from D'Feeters, but let's just stick to the girls who were still in College as of this year):

Jordie Harr - Was a '98 who played up on Sting's '97 ECNL National Championship team and spent most if not all of her youth years playing for Sting.  Plays at Texas Tech and according to her bio has been in the YNT pool since 2012 and played in the most recent U-20 World Cup qualifying.

Cyera Hintzen - '98 who also Played for Sting.  Just finished up her Senior year as a 4-Year starter with UT.  Had caps with US U-19 YNT

Madison Haley (daughter of NFL HOF'er Charles Haley) - Was a '99 that played her entire select career for Texans.  She was a starter for Stanford's 2019 National Championship team and went from the National Championship straight to a WNT camp last November.  She is a current member of the U-20 National Team.  Also played in recent youth World Cup (think it was U19, but I could be mistaken on that).

Reaghan Smith (daughter of NFL HOF'er Emmitt Smith) - Was a '99 teammate of Madison Haley with Texans.  Plays for A&M.  Believe she went to some YNT camps while in HS, but don't think she was ever capped with one of the YNT's

Now... starting with the '00's, the "balance of power" in NTX started to shift more towards Solar and FCD, and this shift actually pre-dated DA, but the trend has continued through the DA days.  Don't recall any NTX '00 girls that were regulars with the YNT, but the masses will correct me if I am wrong.  The '01's were Diana Ordonez and Samar Guidry (not sure if she's an '01 or '02, but she played with the '01's) from FCD, and Sam Meza (who got onto the YNT while at Kicks, but then moved to Solar when DA was formed).

After that, you're talking about the '03 Solar studs, and then anybody younger than that is off my radar.

Point being, Solar and FCD do have the market cornered in DFW today as far as YNT access is concerned, but to say that Sting, Texans, and D'Feeters (and even Kicks) don't have a history of developing YNT talent in recent memory or ever, is to say that you either have a short memory, or flat out have no clue...

Of all of these girls we are talking about, probably only Haley, Missimo, and maybe Byars have any realistic chance of ever being capped with the WNT at some point in the future.

BWGophers!!!!
Where ya been at?!

AngelinaGoalee wrote:BWGophers!!!!
Where ya been at?!

Lurking...

Respect to those players, but you are dusting some old books off of that shelf reciting examples of players thst were born in the last century. I can tell your an old dad, time to move on playa. Your 02/03 examples are publicly known and obvious. Beyond that you don’t know. Time to move on old playa

BWGophers wrote:

PLAYERONE wrote:So you kicks boys are hangin your hat on one player, 3 years ago, and one out of thousand players that JM has coached in 15 years? At this point its sound like a blind squirrel finding the  nut analogy.

All glory to god, can I get an amen?    

PLAYERONE wrote:FCD poaches? Or maybe provides better opportunity.   for Elite players.   I don’t recall Texans, DF/kicks, or Sting having any players on the national team currently or ever in the past.  

It’s not where you start it’s where you finish.  

Of all of these girls we are talking about, probably only Haley, Missimo, and maybe Byars have any realistic chance of ever being capped with the WNT at some point in the future.

I would add JS to this list as well. So which club wants to take credit for her development?

PLAYERONE wrote:Respect to those players, but you are dusting some old books off of that shelf reciting examples of players thst were born in the last century.    I can tell your an old dad, time to move on playa.   Your 02/03 examples are publicly known and obvious.  Beyond that you don’t know.   Time to move on old playa      

Beyond 02/03, who else is there?

PLAYERONE wrote:Respect to those players, but you are dusting some old books off of that shelf reciting examples of players thst were born in the last century.    I can tell your an old dad, time to move on playa.   Your 02/03 examples are publicly known and obvious.  Beyond that you don’t know.   Time to move on old playa      

You're correct.  I don't know squat about anything beyond the '03's and I admit it.  At least I have the common sense and humility to speak to only what I know and make it clear when I don't know.  

However, carry on spouting off about things you have no clue about.  It really helps with your credibility.

I'll use my walker to get over to my rascal and scoot on out of this thread now...