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Post by 2sgrm 26/07/11, 04:04 pm

InaB wrote:Ok, I am going to confess. I have missed only six games since my DD started playing soccer at the age of 4. I have probably missed at the most 12 practices. Over dedicated you say? You are probably right. However, I try to keep my backseat coaching to myself. Yes, I do forget occasionally and yell out a "Way to go!" Or take an odd moment to quickly say pick up your feet as she jogs past me. However, I know that coaching is what I pay my coach for.



I am really there because I love to watch her play - games or practice. I love to see the intensity in her face as she squares off. I love it when she does the airplane after scoring. I also love it when I see her reach down to a team mate and help them up or consoles them when they are hurt. How long will I have these moments to enjoy? For me, it isn't as much about being a parent as it is about taking in every moment of seeing her develop as a young girl.



I want her to listen to the coach. I want the coach to see her as I do - sometimes goofy, sometimes funny, sometimes magic on the field. I don't usually sit right next to the practice field. However, I do sit close enough so I can watch what she does while I talk to the other parents. I do the same thing when I take her for private coaching. The coach is paid to train her. I am paid to love her. (And yes, I do sneak in the occassional tips.)



At games I yell for her (just ask anyone who has lost their hearing sitting next to me) but it is to encourage her and not to coach her. I think a Run baby, run is entirely all right! Very Happy Afterwards, I talk about the really good things she did and if there was something she could have done better, I mention it in passing. (And before you hit me with it, no I am not a saint - for I do have those few moments when she gets the "what were you thinking" sentences.



That is why I like to see her practice as well as play. I don't want to miss the joy, or the ups and downs. None of this will happen again - maybe something similar, but not what happened today. I feel the same way at home and about her brother and sister. Before I know it, she will be 13 and know EVERYTHING! Razz



How many moments will we have with our children? Would I allow any team, group, etc., deny my time with her and reveling in watching her grow up before my eyes, not on your life. I am fine with watching from my car, or from a distance. I may not see every move she makes, but I want to share this experience with her for as long as I have. I know this is business for the clubs and the coaches. But my DD is a big part of my life - one that will slowly change when she gets too old to have me sticking around.



I can only end this missive with an equally mushy ending - Go hug your DD and thank your lucky stars that she was entrusted to you. And next year, if you don't like the contract (assuming you read the fine print), go to another club.Wink

Very well put!

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Post by John Galt 26/07/11, 04:05 pm

InaB wrote:Ok, I am going to confess. I have missed only six games since my DD started playing soccer at the age of 4. I have probably missed at the most 12 practices. Over dedicated you say? You are probably right. However, I try to keep my backseat coaching to myself. Yes, I do forget occasionally and yell out a "Way to go!" Or take an odd moment to quickly say pick up your feet as she jogs past me. However, I know that coaching is what I pay my coach for.



I am really there because I love to watch her play - games or practice. I love to see the intensity in her face as she squares off. I love it when she does the airplane after scoring. I also love it when I see her reach down to a team mate and help them up or consoles them when they are hurt. How long will I have these moments to enjoy? For me, it isn't as much about being a parent as it is about taking in every moment of seeing her develop as a young girl.



I want her to listen to the coach. I want the coach to see her as I do - sometimes goofy, sometimes funny, sometimes magic on the field. I don't usually sit right next to the practice field. However, I do sit close enough so I can watch what she does while I talk to the other parents. I do the same thing when I take her for private coaching. The coach is paid to train her. I am paid to love her. (And yes, I do sneak in the occassional tips.)



At games I yell for her (just ask anyone who has lost their hearing sitting next to me) but it is to encourage her and not to coach her. I think a Run baby, run is entirely all right! Very Happy Afterwards, I talk about the really good things she did and if there was something she could have done better, I mention it in passing. (And before you hit me with it, no I am not a saint - for I do have those few moments when she gets the "what were you thinking" sentences.



That is why I like to see her practice as well as play. I don't want to miss the joy, or the ups and downs. None of this will happen again - maybe something similar, but not what happened today. I feel the same way at home and about her brother and sister. Before I know it, she will be 13 and know EVERYTHING! Razz



How many moments will we have with our children? Would I allow any team, group, etc., deny my time with her and reveling in watching her grow up before my eyes, not on your life. I am fine with watching from my car, or from a distance. I may not see every move she makes, but I want to share this experience with her for as long as I have. I know this is business for the clubs and the coaches. But my DD is a big part of my life - one that will slowly change when she gets too old to have me sticking around.



I can only end this missive with an equally mushy ending - Go hug your DD and thank your lucky stars that she was entrusted to you. And next year, if you don't like the contract (assuming you read the fine print), go to another club.Wink

Nicely put.

I remember as a boy all the early morning practices (Ice Hockey)and all the long drives to and from with my Mom. Now it's me and my DD though the travel is shorter. At first I thought it was important to pay it forward, now I see it as a gift from my Mom. No way I ever sign that away.
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Post by SuperSoccer 26/07/11, 04:11 pm

InaB wrote:Ok, I am going to confess. I have missed only six games since my DD started playing soccer at the age of 4. I have probably missed at the most 12 practices. Over dedicated you say? You are probably right. However, I try to keep my backseat coaching to myself. Yes, I do forget occasionally and yell out a "Way to go!" Or take an odd moment to quickly say pick up your feet as she jogs past me. However, I know that coaching is what I pay my coach for.



I am really there because I love to watch her play - games or practice. I love to see the intensity in her face as she squares off. I love it when she does the airplane after scoring. I also love it when I see her reach down to a team mate and help them up or consoles them when they are hurt. How long will I have these moments to enjoy? For me, it isn't as much about being a parent as it is about taking in every moment of seeing her develop as a young girl.



I want her to listen to the coach. I want the coach to see her as I do - sometimes goofy, sometimes funny, sometimes magic on the field. I don't usually sit right next to the practice field. However, I do sit close enough so I can watch what she does while I talk to the other parents. I do the same thing when I take her for private coaching. The coach is paid to train her. I am paid to love her. (And yes, I do sneak in the occassional tips.)



At games I yell for her (just ask anyone who has lost their hearing sitting next to me) but it is to encourage her and not to coach her. I think a Run baby, run is entirely all right! Very Happy Afterwards, I talk about the really good things she did and if there was something she could have done better, I mention it in passing. (And before you hit me with it, no I am not a saint - for I do have those few moments when she gets the "what were you thinking" sentences.



That is why I like to see her practice as well as play. I don't want to miss the joy, or the ups and downs. None of this will happen again - maybe something similar, but not what happened today. I feel the same way at home and about her brother and sister. Before I know it, she will be 13 and know EVERYTHING! Razz



How many moments will we have with our children? Would I allow any team, group, etc., deny my time with her and reveling in watching her grow up before my eyes, not on your life. I am fine with watching from my car, or from a distance. I may not see every move she makes, but I want to share this experience with her for as long as I have. I know this is business for the clubs and the coaches. But my DD is a big part of my life - one that will slowly change when she gets too old to have me sticking around.



I can only end this missive with an equally mushy ending - Go hug your DD and thank your lucky stars that she was entrusted to you. And next year, if you don't like the contract (assuming you read the fine print), go to another club.Wink

Excellent post. Soccer can be a great experience for the whole family and a great way to spend time with your kids. The sport would be much better off if everyone had your outlook.

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Post by 03N Texan 26/07/11, 04:13 pm

You guys are funny! Very Happy This isn't about the kids or the coaches or the parents. It's about their precious fields! It's just like the discussion that occured around King Tut and not cancelling for the high temperatures.....They don't cancel for the kids....they cancel (for rain) for their precious fields! If there was more to it, all the Texans practices would be closed....but they don't really care if other locations get messy. Very Happy

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Post by John Galt 26/07/11, 04:17 pm

03N Texan wrote:You guys are funny! Very Happy This isn't about the kids or the coaches or the parents. It's about their precious fields! It's just like the discussion that occured around King Tut and not cancelling for the high temperatures.....They don't cancel for the kids....they cancel (for rain) for their precious fields! If there was more to it, all the Texans practices would be closed....but they don't really care if other locations get messy. Very Happy

Their precious fields are paid for with the parents precious dollars lose the latter and you lose the former.
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Post by 03N Texan 26/07/11, 04:18 pm

Agreed.

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Post by freefl2 26/07/11, 04:39 pm

The irony of the thread is it doesn't seem Texan parents are making the negative statements. As a coach for many years, one of the worst things to deal with is your player making a mistake at practice and looking over to see the player lowering her head and looking at mom, all 350 lbs of her sipping on her Frap talking on her iPhone sitting in her lawn chair, giving her daughter the stink eye.

Or 3 sibblings running around throwing footballs, fighting over the Nintendo, crying etc. I'd rather give my DD as few distractions as possible including her parents.

I bet there was a 1000 Texan players thanking God the day they heard about this!!

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Post by Guest 26/07/11, 04:41 pm

" As a coach for many years, one of the worst things to deal with is"

having parents holding you accountable for the thousands of dollars they are paying you?


by the way your obvious disdain for the people who enable you to have a career in coaching is very telling also.....

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Post by InaB 26/07/11, 04:53 pm

Quite obviously Free you have some animosity toward parents and a definite issue with weight (specifically about female ones).
Not all parents are of the toddlers and tiaras variety. I can see that perhaps you coached a few years too many and may have had some difficult parents to deal with.

I don't believe in giving my DD the "stink eye" as you call it unless I see her doing cartwheels or something equally inane on the field instead of listening to her coach. So far, this hasn't happened since her early days.

As to sibblings, I will give you that one. Nothing is worse than having little ones running around. But to be fair, most of those brought to our practice stay away from the girls while they practice.

As to the thousands of Texan players thanking God for the ruling, I can't say for sure that they are anymore than you.

I am sorry that you have had such bad experiences as a coach that it has soured you to this extent. If you are still coaching, I will keep good thoughts that you an your parents and players come together in unity and peace. Smile
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Post by aTmAg 26/07/11, 04:57 pm

I guess I'll cross off the Texans from the list of potential teams for my '02 girl.

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Post by freefl2 26/07/11, 05:13 pm

anselansel wrote:" As a coach for many years, one of the worst things to deal with is"

having parents holding you accountable for the thousands of dollars they are paying you.....


Accountable for what? Quality of practice, Skill development? I'm a bit confused what does sitting down watching a 1 hour practice give you in terms of accountability?


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Post by Guest 26/07/11, 05:20 pm

actually its more like about 100 practices a year. a body of work that can be judged quite easily for someone who is THERE watching, not just dropping off and picking up a hour or so later with a kid who says "practice was fine".......

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Post by TNT 26/07/11, 05:21 pm

txtransplant wrote:Is the team escorted in by the manager? Do they arrive as a group and leave as a group? And how many other teams are training at the same time? The likelihood of any "inappropriatness" happening is nil. And the reason managers have emergency contact info, doctor's information, is in case their is an emergency.

Let's call it what it is... parents are ticked off because they can't give up the control, to allow their children to be taught by someone else without second guessing the person they entrusted and are paying to do their job correctly.

You know, I went to summer camp every year as a kid. Said goodbye to the parents on Sunday and wouldn't see/nor talk to them for two weeks. I loved it as much as they did.

Sometimes these rules are in place so the kids can get a break from their parents' riding their butts during practice. Embarrassing them during games is bad enough.

I think it is importan tto see how the coach relates, instructs, treats, speaks, etc. and this includes practices and games. I don't plan on being involved in the practice, however my job is to ensure my child is being treated properly, etc. Some coaches are great, others are just idiots, and if we, the paying parents are not there to decide, then all we hear is the aftermath stories. In addition, being within a ear shot may just make some of the coaches behave who would not otherwise do so. I have no issue with my dd being held accountable, etc., but some of these guys want to degrade, act a fool, scream, cuss, etc. and that is not what I am paying for or the situation in which I am placing my daughter.

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Post by 00scrmom 26/07/11, 05:26 pm

InaB....classy as usual!

Can't believe no one brought up the issue of parents getting drunk from sneaking beer in their cups from their cars....oh wait, that's only at the tournaments...nevermind!! drunken
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Post by freefl2 26/07/11, 05:28 pm

InaB wrote:Quite obviously Free you have some animosity toward parents and a definite issue with weight (specifically about female ones).
Not all parents are of the toddlers and tiaras variety. I can see that perhaps you coached a few years too many and may have had some difficult parents to deal with.

I don't believe in giving my DD the "stink eye" as you call it unless I see her doing cartwheels or something equally inane on the field instead of listening to her coach. So far, this hasn't happened since her early days.

As to sibblings, I will give you that one. Nothing is worse than having little ones running around. But to be fair, most of those brought to our practice stay away from the girls while they practice.

As to the thousands of Texan players thanking God for the ruling, I can't say for sure that they are anymore than you.

I am sorry that you have had such bad experiences as a coach that it has soured you to this extent. If you are still coaching, I will keep good thoughts that you an your parents and players come together in unity and peace. Smile

Who said it was a bad experience, I love working with all of the teams and 99.9% of the parents.

It was just a joke. Sorry if I offended anyone. Would it be better if I said the Super Model mom, with her green tea, Gucci Bag, Bebe Glasses, surfing her Ipad, giving the stink eye....

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Post by InaB 26/07/11, 05:29 pm

Yeah, from what I have seen in the past, vodka and wine are the drinks du jour at practices ScrMom! Razz And yes Free, it would have sounded better with the upgraded parent version and less sour. I'm just not sure how well the dad's who come to practice can carry off that look though.



I'm glad to know you like your parents. I can now sleep tonight. Very Happy


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Post by 00scrmom 26/07/11, 05:31 pm

InaB wrote:Yeah, Vodka and wine work much better at practices! Razz

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Post by GOTB@LLZ?? 26/07/11, 05:48 pm

freefl2 wrote:
It was just a joke. Sorry if I offended anyone. Would it be better if I said the Super Model mom, with her green tea, Gucci Bag, Bebe Glasses, surfing her Ipad, giving the stink eye....

Is this team still looking for players? If so, we're in! cheers
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Post by enjoysoccer 26/07/11, 06:17 pm

When are they going to start charging for parking in their precious 20 space parking lot?
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Post by Joe West 26/07/11, 08:31 pm

enjoysoccer wrote:When are they going to start charging for parking in their precious 20 space parking lot?

When are they going to get restrooms that aren't located at QuikTrip!

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Post by Dadof12 26/07/11, 10:15 pm

Well after 5 pages all I have to say is its ALL bogus we are no longer practicing at Ross stewart we have moved to resource connection (permanant field) nor have we EVER been banned from practice. Oh yes i am a parent of an 00 on the new Texans Fort Worth.

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Post by GuessillKeeper 26/07/11, 10:42 pm

mudhead wrote:My DD's former coach was arrested last year and remains in jail on child porn and drug charges. He was a control freak, but I would not have suspected him of either of these activities. I have 25+ years of experience in the mental health and corrections fields and never saw it coming. He never touched, approached, or acted inappropriately with our DD, but after this expereicnce I would not allow anything like what the Texans are proposing with my DD. Especially at this age and stage the family aspect of soccer is one of the things that make it attractive, at least to us.

Couldn't agree more with this. I totally understand the point that parents need to back off and let coaches coach - I get it! BUT - this kind of stuff happens more than anyone thinks (1 in 6 boys and 1 in 4 girls by the age of 18). Background checks are great, but aren't really worth the paper they are printed on due to the fact that most offenders are not even caught, let alone convicted, until after they have abused multiple times. The actual inappropriate behavior may not happen at the fields, but grooming a victim can. I definitely think parents need to take a step back, but I'm wary of any organization that would tell me I couldn't be at a child's practice at all, it just looks bad. And as far as liability is concerned, this could be an issue. Do you think the catholic church still has classes for altar boys and acolytes without letting parents attend?
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Post by Guest 26/07/11, 11:42 pm

Did anyone actually read Bustya's post from the Texan's? I'm assuming it is word for word from their contracts. Well, I don't see where it bans the parents from practices anywhere. Am I missing something? It seems to me that there is quite a bit of assuming going on? Where does it say that the parents are not welcome or can not attend practices? It basically says that there are a few times that the parents are "asked" to be present. That does not necessarily say, or even imply, that they aren't to be there at any of the other practices.

I have asked some of my Texan friends about this. None of them have ever been run from a practice or even been asked not to be there. Can't any of you knee-jerkers do a little investigation yourselves?

Instead, everyone runs amok with their own interpretation of what they most likely skimmed or didn't even read. Now, it seems that this club employs child molesters and is looking for ways to separate the children from their parents and do dastardly things. Some of you should be ashamed of the implications you made against this club.


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Post by Dadof12 27/07/11, 06:38 am

giggedy wrote:Did anyone actually read Bustya's post from the Texan's? I'm assuming it is word for word from their contracts. Well, I don't see where it bans the parents from practices anywhere. Am I missing something? It seems to me that there is quite a bit of assuming going on? Where does it say that the parents are not welcome or can not attend practices? It basically says that there are a few times that the parents are "asked" to be present. That does not necessarily say, or even imply, that they aren't to be there at any of the other practices.

I have asked some of my Texan friends about this. None of them have ever been run from a practice or even been asked not to be there. Can't any of you knee-jerkers do a little investigation yourselves?

Instead, everyone runs amok with their own interpretation of what they most likely skimmed or didn't even read. Now, it seems that this club employs child molesters and is looking for ways to separate the children from their parents and do dastardly things. Some of you should be ashamed of the implications you made against this club.



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Post by blondefish 27/07/11, 07:36 am

BastaYa! wrote:"...... While the support and excitement of the parents is appreciated, we will only on occasion ask that the parents be present for training because we try to reduce the pressure and expectancy that young players can feel when they play with the Dallas Texans so they can relax and enjoy playing in an uninhibited way.... Any training session where the attendance of the parents is requested will be announced beforehand."

No disrespect to this Club at all, but here it clearly states twice that parents are not usually present during practices.
I can appreciate the Club wanting to limit distractions. However, how can I as a parent be an educated consumer when it comes to making sure the coach & team are the right fit for my player if all I get to see are the games? Should I simply base my decisions on their win-loss record?
Unfortunately now that the courtship is over and the ink has dried on the contract, the only way you'll know what's going on at practice will be on the nike-cam descretely hidden in her shin guards.
But, different strokes for different folks.
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Post by mudhead 27/07/11, 08:02 am

giggedy wrote:Instead, everyone runs amok with their own interpretation of what they most likely skimmed or didn't even read. Now, it seems that this club employs child molesters and is looking for ways to separate the children from their parents and do dastardly things. Some of you should be ashamed of the implications you made against this club.

Take a deep breath. No one is making any accusations against this club. People are expressing their opinons about this club's policies regarding parental attendance at practices. Based on my experience I would not allow my daughter to play for a club with this type of policy. The club was up front and included the written policy in the contract. There are lots of clubs out there, so everyone is free to choose clubs that fit their values and philosophies. To each their own.

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