'03 FBR Rankings - 12-11-12 (Final Fall '12 Rankings)

Somethings wrong here, sting beats daglish AND Cosmos and stays put in the rankings?
Whats up with that?

When teams are tied in 'points'.... How do you (or the computer) determine who gets the higher ranking? Looks good gophers (other than there's two top20 teams that have not won a game without significant help from their big sister...kind of sucks for those teams outside the 20 looking in).

SolarPower00 wrote:When teams are tied in 'points'.... How do you (or the computer) determine who gets the higher ranking?

I would think winning a tournament would be worth something...

Agreed. I think Sting AG may have gotten the short end of the FBR stick.
But several other teams are tied in points... Just something I've always wondered about the FBR...what's the first tie breaker?

I believe that when a win happens by PK, then it goes on the books as a tie.

I'm sure somebody will correct me if I'm misspoken.

I think you are correct Pop. A win on PKs counts as a tie, if you don't like the rankings make your own is always the response most given when people complain

How original GrandTxSoccer...thanks
Not complaining just looking for clarification
An OT win and a win in PK does count as a tie.
A win in the tourney championship has no added weight.
We all know this. My question involved overall 'POINTS'
And how placement was determined when teams are tied in overall ranking 'POINTS'
Between you and flygirl i think i just got dumber

Gophers is doing a great job of biting his lip.

Wasn't responding to your post Solar, I know your ego thinks the world revolves around you but my response was simply to back up what pop was saying and obviously not everyone knew about the win on PKs since silent parent was asking the question about what gives with Sting AG not getting more if a boost from winning.

Hope that helps for your reading comprehension.

i think that sting should be commended, beat a good lp daglish team.

silentparent wrote:Somethings wrong here, sting beats daglish AND Cosmos and stays put in the rankings?
Whats up with that?

Dalglish game goes into FBR as a Draw. A policy that I have stated on here numerous times.

Dalglish Draw and Keegan Draw essentially offset each other.

Triumph win does very little due to weak nature of opponent.

Cosmos and Parker wins are solid and provide a bit of a bump.

The net is that Sting G gained...

+5 points on FCD Premier
+2 points on Fever
+4 points on Mendoza
+2 points on FDC East
+1 point on Dalglish

So Sting G moved up on all of these teams, just not enough to change their ranking position. If the Keegan and/or Dalglish games were wins instead of draws, Sting G would've jumped FCD Premier and possibly Fever as well.

Again, FBR represents an average of performance over the past 4 months, and games from Sept. 1 carry the same weight as games from Dec. 1 (something I would like to change, but am at the mercy of the software developer on that).

Stepping back and looking at the entire fall season of results, Sting G is pretty much right where they should be.

The reality is that all of the teams I have mentioned above are very close to one another, and depending on how you break things down, you could make a pretty logical argument for just about any order of teams between 3-8.

SolarPower00 wrote:When teams are tied in 'points'.... How do you (or the computer) determine who gets the higher ranking? Looks good gophers (other than there's two top20 teams that have not won a game without significant help from their big sister...kind of sucks for those teams outside the 20 looking in).

They actually aren't tied in points. The ranking calculation actually carries out to the second decimal place. However, the page in FBR where I cut-n-paste the final posting from, rounds the points to the nearest whole number. Again, I'm at the mercy of the FBR software folks to take my request and change the format (or at least make it user configurable).

If you do ever see two teams with the same ranking in FBR, that means that the points are equal out to the 2nd decimal place.

So here ya go,
Pretty sure this will bring crickets but here we go.
A team enters a tournament an is a clubs b team but to fill the roster they have to bring some a team players to compete. Now this b level team under the impression of the TD is an A level team and goes into the top level of the tournament. They have lower than expected results and thus the rankings show a decline of the a team and no change of the b. I guess when signing up the TD needs to have a clarification of who showed up. How will the rankings change with the "silver" team having "gold" among them?

EyeSnapPhotos wrote:So here ya go,
Pretty sure this will bring crickets but here we go.
A team enters a tournament an is a clubs b team but to fill the roster they have to bring some a team players to compete. Now this b level team under the impression of the TD is an A level team and goes into the top level of the tournament. They have lower than expected results and thus the rankings show a decline of the a team and no change of the b. I guess when signing up the TD needs to have a clarification of who showed up. How will the rankings change with the "silver" team having "gold" among them?

Guest players, "hybrid" teams, top players missing due to conflict/illness/injury, are all a part of life in NTX academy soccer. A computer based ranking can not take any of these "intangibles" into account (same as the "we totally dominated the game but put 7 shots off the post and only won 1-0" games - the computer only sees it as a 1-0 win). Only human opinion polls can take those factors into account, which is why I have always stated that there is place for those here on this forum as well.

As far as FBR goes, I do the best with the information I can get my hands on. I will try to verify my information and treat "hybrid" situations as logically as possible. Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I don't.

If such a situation occurred this past weekend, I am unaware of it.

Thanks for that, kinda what I expected in following this for some time and listening to responses.

EyeSnapPhotos wrote:Thanks for that, kinda what I expected in following this for some time and listening to responses.

If you think there was a recent case where I assigned results incorrectly to a team, let me know about it (do it by PM if you don't want to do it on the open forum).

I look into it and correct it, if I can verify it or it looks like the right thing to do.

No big deal, pretty sure they can cope with it and make the move at a later date, keep them motivated!

bwgophers wrote:

EyeSnapPhotos wrote:So here ya go,
Pretty sure this will bring crickets but here we go.
A team enters a tournament an is a clubs b team but to fill the roster they have to bring some a team players to compete. Now this b level team under the impression of the TD is an A level team and goes into the top level of the tournament. They have lower than expected results and thus the rankings show a decline of the a team and no change of the b. I guess when signing up the TD needs to have a clarification of who showed up. How will the rankings change with the "silver" team having "gold" among them?

Guest players, "hybrid" teams, top players missing due to conflict/illness/injury, are all a part of life in NTX academy soccer. A computer based ranking can not take any of these "intangibles" into account (same as the "we totally dominated the game but put 7 shots off the post and only won 1-0" games - the computer only sees it as a 1-0 win). Only human opinion polls can take those factors into account, which is why I have always stated that there is place for those here on this forum as well.

As far as FBR goes, I do the best with the information I can get my hands on. I will try to verify my information and treat "hybrid" situations as logically as possible. Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I don't.

If such a situation occurred this past weekend, I am unaware of it.

I'm amazed how you enough time to watch all the 03s, 04s, 05s games.

rtsafft wrote:

I'm amazed how you enough time to watch all the 03s, 04s, 05s games.

Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but I've never watched a single '03, '04, or '05 game.

rtsafft wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

EyeSnapPhotos wrote:So here ya go,
Pretty sure this will bring crickets but here we go.
A team enters a tournament an is a clubs b team but to fill the roster they have to bring some a team players to compete. Now this b level team under the impression of the TD is an A level team and goes into the top level of the tournament. They have lower than expected results and thus the rankings show a decline of the a team and no change of the b. I guess when signing up the TD needs to have a clarification of who showed up. How will the rankings change with the "silver" team having "gold" among them?

Guest players, "hybrid" teams, top players missing due to conflict/illness/injury, are all a part of life in NTX academy soccer. A computer based ranking can not take any of these "intangibles" into account (same as the "we totally dominated the game but put 7 shots off the post and only won 1-0" games - the computer only sees it as a 1-0 win). Only human opinion polls can take those factors into account, which is why I have always stated that there is place for those here on this forum as well.

As far as FBR goes, I do the best with the information I can get my hands on. I will try to verify my information and treat "hybrid" situations as logically as possible. Sometimes I get it right, sometimes I don't.

If such a situation occurred this past weekend, I am unaware of it.

I'm amazed how you enough time to watch all the 03s, 04s, 05s games.

It is quite simple - he doesn't. His rankings are purely computerized. So, he takes the results plugged them into a software program and the rankings are the result. With that said - thank you Gophers for putting these together. It takes a lot of time and effort and it is appreciated!!

So do fbr rankings start in u8?

bigtex wrote:So do fbr rankings start in u8?

They start:

1) Whenever I see enough consolidation into relatively age-pure leagues and tournament brackets that I can put together something I feel is reasonably accurate

...and...

2) Whenever I can find the time to create the initial database

This usually doesn't happen until at least U8, but that doesn't necessarily mean I will start compiling them earlier or later than U8 for a particular age group.

bwgophers wrote:

rtsafft wrote:

I'm amazed how you enough time to watch all the 03s, 04s, 05s games.

Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but I've never watched a single '03, '04, or '05 game.

Don't let BW fool you. He has boots on the ground at all the important games. Keeping a close watch on NTX soccer

go99 wrote:

bwgophers wrote:

rtsafft wrote:

I'm amazed how you enough time to watch all the 03s, 04s, 05s games.

Hate to burst everyone's bubble, but I've never watched a single '03, '04, or '05 game.

Don't let BW fool you. He has boots on the ground at all the important games. Keeping a close watch on NTX soccer

Yup... I'm everywhere and nowhere, all at the same time...