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Post by flounder on 24/02/13, 07:42 pm

Curious if you have had similar experiences with Fever Black?

I am all for tough soccer and fouls are part of the game, but blatant fouls that cause injury with encouragement from parents is not. Before you blast me with judgement we did win and controlled most of the game so I am not complaining due to a loss.

One instance the Fever defenders does a flying ninja move, both feet airborne, striking the opposing player with the bottom of her cleats in the leg, and the ball was not in the air. If she was an MMA fighter it was a great move, on the soccer pitch not so cool. Foul was called, should have been a yellow. This was not the only instance but I will not bore you with the details.

Another instance a parent on Fever Black (believed to be the coaches wife, large lady with an attitude) got in the face of an 70 yr old grandfather and threatened to whoop his ass. I am sure it was justified as he was asking her to stand on her half of the field so he could see the game as she was standing in front of his bleachers yelling at the kids and spewing hate. I guess she feels that she owns all 100 yards of the sidelines and does not respect her elders. It appeared someone from Fever club management had to tell her to leave after the ref had to stop the game due to her outburst.

Is this common place for Fever Black, they have to be the dirtiest team we have seen in TGPL or PTCL.
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Re: Any sportsmanship on Fever Black?

Post by go99 on 24/02/13, 08:02 pm

If you are gonna woop some ass I guess go for the 70 yr old Very Happy JK (please send all AARP hate mail directly to TXsoccer.net)

I really hate to see yellow card for kids but yes that not only has to be one it should accompany a conversation from the ref. The coach should have also pulled the player and had a conversation. The studs showing and 2 footed. Both are instances that when they go wrong resulted in a broken leg
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Post by TheDudeAbides on 24/02/13, 09:31 pm

I think more cards should be shown...

It might cut down on the unnecessary WHOOP ASS!!!
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Re: Any sportsmanship on Fever Black?

Post by 12monkeys on 25/02/13, 12:02 pm

Very commonplace.

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Re: Any sportsmanship on Fever Black?

Post by patricklikesu on 25/02/13, 01:16 pm

She is actually very nice and personable when her team is winning. Shocked
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Re: Any sportsmanship on Fever Black?

Post by Zidane on 25/02/13, 01:37 pm

I think we could each name 1 team with a crazy parent and a DD that plays dirty. Let's not pick on Fever....they want to win just like everybody else. We need to all take a real long look in the mirror and decide who wants this more (the DD or the parent).
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Re: Any sportsmanship on Fever Black?

Post by Guest on 25/02/13, 01:43 pm

Zidane wrote:I think we could each name 1 team with a crazy parent and a DD that plays dirty. Let's not pick on Fever....they want to win just like everybody else. We need to all take a real long look in the mirror and decide who wants this more (the DD or the parent).

Sorry thats doesn't cut it. If she was married to the coach and acting like a refugee from COPS then that is ridiculous. Makes fever look bad...

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Post by Zidane on 25/02/13, 02:12 pm

I was not there so I am not qualified to comment; however, I have seem several TOP 03 teams with animated sideline antics. We actually play Fever this weekend so I will be sure and post a full report of the game and the sideline activities.
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Re: Any sportsmanship on Fever Black?

Post by flounder on 25/02/13, 02:20 pm

silentparent wrote:
Zidane wrote:I think we could each name 1 team with a crazy parent and a DD that plays dirty. Let's not pick on Fever....they want to win just like everybody else. We need to all take a real long look in the mirror and decide who wants this more (the DD or the parent).

Sorry thats doesn't cut it. If she was married to the coach and acting like a refugee from COPS then that is ridiculous. Makes fever look bad...

I agree. Every parent should have some common sense when it comes to etiquette. At this age group and competition level, non of these parents are new the game. Respect for the players and the other teams goes along way. I understand the heat of battle, but dont lose your head. They are 10 yr olds playing soccer in which many will choose very different paths in life.


Players at this age seem too young to get cards even yellow, but if players are fouling and causing injury there needs to be someone (ie ref/coach) that reiterates the respect of your opponents.
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Re: Any sportsmanship on Fever Black?

Post by Just Curious on 25/02/13, 02:35 pm

Could not disagree more

This is the age to card the girls, before they think they can get away with it

Card them,talk to them and teach them right from wrong on the pitch

There are many reasons for the dirty play, the most common are:

Player is not as skilled keeps getting beat and thinks this is the only way I can do my job

Parents don't understand that leaning on a player is OK, thier daughet is smaller slower and the parent yell's "come on be more physical", player does

Coaching

I also want to see cards for floping


we don't send a message at this age group, by time we do it will be to late



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Post by TatonkaBurger on 25/02/13, 02:41 pm

Just Curious wrote:Could not disagree more

This is the age to card the girls, before they think they can get away with it

Card them,talk to them and teach them right from wrong on the pitch

There are many reasons for the dirty play, the most common are:

Player is not as skilled keeps getting beat and thinks this is the only way I can do my job

Parents don't understand that leaning on a player is OK, thier daughet is smaller slower and the parent yell's "come on be more physical", player does

Coaching

I also want to see cards for floping


we don't send a message at this age group, by time we do it will be to late


Is there really flopping at this age? I guess I just haven't witnessed it yet.

But I agree with you. There should be cards. I also don't think girls should be taught to be physical in their play. It generally does reek of less-skilled players that have to do all of the pulling/pushing in order to keep up. The focus should be on skills. Coaches who teach rough play, dirty play, etc. are doing our DDs a disservice.
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Re: Any sportsmanship on Fever Black?

Post by flyonawall on 25/02/13, 03:19 pm

For some reason, some parents just have a problem with sideline etiquette....which I'm not at all sure why. Any parent who has been doing this whole soccer thing for a while knows there is an invisible line. Should you choose to cross it, there are unwritten rules to follow. Like not standing in front of the opposing teams parents. Or standing behind them, mouthing disrespectful comments about the team or coach. Or arguing with the opposing teams parents about a call that didn't go in their favor. I'm not sure why they feel the need to do any of it, except to cause trouble. And we wonder why their kids are disrespectful on the field. The apple never falls too far from the tree.......

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Post by Solarace on 25/02/13, 03:34 pm

There was a yellow in our game on Saturday. Our girl was tripped and as an added bonus, shoved in the back into the ground especially hard. On our sister team a few weeks back, an opposing player shoved our player away from the play resulting in a trip to the hospital and a concussion. I think yellow cards are warranted at this age.

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Post by DDx3 on 25/02/13, 03:48 pm

Look, if you are one of those parents that just can’t keep your mouth shut due to lack of self control then you need to take your tail to the end of the field where no one will hear your yelling but yourself. I promise the game will be much more enjoyable for everyone. By now everyone should know the sideline etiquette and if you are not following then you just don't care. I even heard SDL is trying to give out some good parent award for good behaviors, maybe Primetime should do the same. Everyone knows any mingling of opposing parents on the same sidelines is not a good thing and will only lead to problems.

Also I am in favor of cards but have never seen one in an Academy aged game. At the very least the ref should send any kids with intentional violent behavior to the sidelines to make a point. If the kids do not learn to play properly then how long is it going to take before those kids seriously injure another child. I hope it is not my child and I am sure everyone else hopes the same.

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Post by GrandTXSoccer on 25/02/13, 03:54 pm

It's a slippery slope at this age. You certainly don't want to see a coach teaching this style of play (Lubbock Cruz is the only coach I've heard tell his kids to push harder) however you also have to be aware that you have to learn how to protect yourself. Don't go looking for contact but don't be afraid to make contact.

Lots of times I think parents think these kids are world class athletes with complete control of their bodies but the reality is many of these girls still can't dribble and run at the same time and heaven forbid you ask them to stop on a dime and change directions.

Now if a kid does a flying two feet kick to the back then yeah something needs to be called. As far as the parents go, you can't fix stupid and quite a few of them fall in that category. Too bad outdoor games can't have plexiglass walls like indoor, blocks out a ton of crowd noise which is great for the kids.

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Re: Any sportsmanship on Fever Black?

Post by mackgee on 25/02/13, 03:57 pm

I’m not here to add fuel to the fire, but rather to put it out. I will not comment here or flame any girls play on the field from ANY team. I would imagine if the “MMA fighter move” actually did take place as described then at least a yellow card would have been issued. Yellow cards are aren’t forbidden at the level our girls are playing in since in our Saturday TGPL match a yellow card was issued to one of our opponents players. I’m one who supports yellow cards at this age level, even if it hurts some feelings it delivers a clear message that that girl did something too far out of line. I believe if more yellows were pulled it would help to clean up the excessive pushing and shoving we watch on both sides of the ball most weeks. That being said our coach handles any and all problems he sees with the girls when it comes to fouls, especially ones that can be construed as blatant. Flounder, I think if you have problems with a way a team is playing you should bring this issue up to your manager or coach, and not post hate for a team as a whole here on the forums.

All that aside the main reason I'm posting here to give an accurate account of what transpired between two parents from Fever Black and Sting West. One of our parents was in fact on the Sting West sideline. She was asked by the elderly man to move out of their view of the game. She did so and moved further down the Sting sideline so she was not blocking the view of any Sting parent. Soon after the elderly man got out of his chair and quietly walked right up behind the Fever parent and stood about a foot behind her. At one point the Fever parent turned to walk back and the elderly man stood right in her face. Elderly or not this is not appropriate for any man to do to a woman. At this point, yes a verbal exchange did occur between parents from both teams, and the game was shortly halted by the refs until the parents both returned to their seats. I’m not here to place blame on any parent, as manager I believe that both parents were in the wrong. Our parent should have simply stayed on “our side” of the field to begin with, and the elderly man should not have approached the Fever parent to provoke a confrontation. Both the Sting parent and Fever parent apologized to their own coach post match, and both parents realized they were equally to blame. It’s takes two people to create a problem like this so both parents from Fever and Sting West made both their teams look bad. So yes as in most "accusations" some people enjoy posting here there are always two sides to the story. Unlike most I don't hide behind my avatar I post here with my real name, and I'm always open and honest about any thing I write about.

Fever Black will be staying on our side of the 50 yard line from now on to make sure both teams can have an enjoyable viewing of the game.

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Post by flounder on 25/02/13, 04:25 pm

Scott,
Your description of the situation is a bit of damage control/politics and glosses over the problems a bit (see other posts about your parent). I do greatly appreciate you addressing the situation with your parent, especially since our teams will meet again on the pitch throughout the upcoming season and tournaments. Your girls are talented and look forward to the next meeting. Leave the game to the girls on the field not the drama on the sidelines.

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Re: Any sportsmanship on Fever Black?

Post by mackgee on 25/02/13, 04:46 pm

flounder wrote:Scott,
Your description of the situation is a bit of damage control/politics and glosses over the problems a bit (see other posts about your parent). I do greatly appreciate you addressing the situation with your parent, especially since our teams will meet again on the pitch throughout the upcoming season and tournaments. Your girls are talented and look forward to the next meeting. Leave the game to the girls on the field not the drama on the sidelines.

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That's because any problem that arises on our team is handled internally within the privacy of our team, and not on an open forum. We look forward to a rematch with Sting West as well, your team is always a good challenge for our girls. This will be my last post on this issue.
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Post by Guest on 25/02/13, 04:51 pm

It's nice to see a team manager come on here and address a problem situation. Kudos. I disagree, however, that it takes two to create this type of issue. Just one exhuberant (i.e. out of control) parent on the wrong side of the field screaming like a banshee can be the singular cause. If this woman stays on her side - like she should - it will be one less issue for the manager and coach to worry about.

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Post by ballhead on 25/02/13, 05:00 pm

mackgee wrote:
flounder wrote:Scott,
Your description of the situation is a bit of damage control/politics and glosses over the problems a bit (see other posts about your parent). I do greatly appreciate you addressing the situation with your parent, especially since our teams will meet again on the pitch throughout the upcoming season and tournaments. Your girls are talented and look forward to the next meeting. Leave the game to the girls on the field not the drama on the sidelines.

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That's because any problem that arises on our team is handled internally within the privacy of our team, and not on an open forum. We look forward to a rematch with Sting West as well, your team is always a good challenge for our girls. This will be my last post on this issue.

Was it the coach's wife? If so, she should definitely know better.
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Post by tigermom on 25/02/13, 07:08 pm

Yes, it was the coach's wife.

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Post by bigtex75081 on 26/02/13, 08:09 am

My eyes were opened concerning yellow cards during a tournament in Hurst a few months ago. During a '03G game there was a central defender that consistently committed very physical fouls. She committed so many of these fouls that, with about 8 minutes left in the game the ref was finally compelled to give the girl a yellow. It was not a yellow for a single foul, it was an "accumulation yellow" as you could see the referee point to the different spots on the field where she'd been previously warned.

What surprised me about the incident was her reaction. This 9 year-old made brief eye contact with the referee, shrugged her shoulders, and jogged back to defend the free kick. (All of this happened while the victim, the opposing team’s best offensive player, had to be carried off the field.) I was surprised at how dismissive she was of the card. It read to me like she'd already seen several yellows in her past.

As I thought about it, I started to understand her reaction. A yellow card doesn't really mean anything to her. It didn't impact the way she played the rest of the game. It didn't really do anything to negatively impact her or her team. She just stepped back and got back to business.

I imagine she was probably going to be congratulated by her coach and her parents after the game for doing such a good job in shutting down the middle of the field for the team. (Because she really had done well.) If that was the case though, that yellow card then could be viewed as more of a “badge of courage” than a discipline.

I think the associations in NTX need to make a rule change. I think that if a player is issued a yellow card that they should be required to leave the field immediately and have a "5 minute cool-off" period. The team shouldn't be forced to play down. I'm not saying it's a red card. I'm not saying she shouldn't be allowed to return. All I'm saying is… she should have been forced out of the game for a few minutes to think about what she was doing wrong and why she wasn't being allowed to play during that break. And if the coach was suddenly playing without his team’s best defender for the next 5 minutes… maybe he’d discourage the physical play a little bit more.
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Post by copa44 on 26/02/13, 08:42 am

bigtex75081 wrote:
I think the associations in NTX need to make a rule change. I think that if a player is issued a yellow card that they should be required to leave the field immediately and have a "5 minute cool-off" period. The team shouldn't be forced to play down. I'm not saying it's a red card. I'm not saying she shouldn't be allowed to return. All I'm saying is… she should have been forced out of the game for a few minutes to think about what she was doing wrong and why she wasn't being allowed to play during that break. And if the coach was suddenly playing without his team’s best defender for the next 5 minutes… maybe he’d discourage the physical play a little bit more.

I think this is a great idea. On my son's team if a player gets a yellow the coach will pull him out to talk to him about it and let him cool down. It works well; helps diffuse the situation on both sides and cuts down on the number of retaliatory aggressive hits as well. I know we've played countless teams like the one you mention where yellow appear to be badges of honor and it just escalates the aggressive mentality 'if the coach and ref are going to let the other team take out our players then we're going to take out theirs'.

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Post by Guest on 26/02/13, 08:48 am

bigtex75081 wrote:My eyes were opened concerning yellow cards during a tournament in Hurst a few months ago. During a '03G game there was a central defender that consistently committed very physical fouls. She committed so many of these fouls that, with about 8 minutes left in the game the ref was finally compelled to give the girl a yellow. It was not a yellow for a single foul, it was an "accumulation yellow" as you could see the referee point to the different spots on the field where she'd been previously warned.

What surprised me about the incident was her reaction. This 9 year-old made brief eye contact with the referee, shrugged her shoulders, and jogged back to defend the free kick. (All of this happened while the victim, the opposing team’s best offensive player, had to be carried off the field.) I was surprised at how dismissive she was of the card. It read to me like she'd already seen several yellows in her past.

As I thought about it, I started to understand her reaction. A yellow card doesn't really mean anything to her. It didn't impact the way she played the rest of the game. It didn't really do anything to negatively impact her or her team. She just stepped back and got back to business.

I imagine she was probably going to be congratulated by her coach and her parents after the game for doing such a good job in shutting down the middle of the field for the team. (Because she really had done well.) If that was the case though, that yellow card then could be viewed as more of a “badge of courage” than a discipline.

I think the associations in NTX need to make a rule change. I think that if a player is issued a yellow card that they should be required to leave the field immediately and have a "5 minute cool-off" period. The team shouldn't be forced to play down. I'm not saying it's a red card. I'm not saying she shouldn't be allowed to return. All I'm saying is… she should have been forced out of the game for a few minutes to think about what she was doing wrong and why she wasn't being allowed to play during that break. And if the coach was suddenly playing without his team’s best defender for the next 5 minutes… maybe he’d discourage the physical play a little bit more.


I think this is an excellent idea, well done!

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Post by MaskedWriter on 26/02/13, 09:55 am

bigtex75081 wrote:I think the associations in NTX need to make a rule change. I think that if a player is issued a yellow card that they should be required to leave the field immediately and have a "5 minute cool-off" period. The team shouldn't be forced to play down. I'm not saying it's a red card.

This and also all tournaments should have the tie-breaker sequence as:
(1) fewest red cards accumulated
(2) fewest yellow cards accumulated
(3) goal differential (or head-to-head per the TD's preference)

There was physical play when my DD played Fever, but nothing too blatant (and don't recall parents being an issue either). There was one instance where one cleated another on the calf but not sure if it was intentional. Regardless, a foul was called and our player was able to stay in the game. Really the only team that I've had dirty play be an issues is the Lubbock Cruz Azul game. Multiple yellows were deserved, none were issued -- there was intent to injure and eliminate players from the game.

IMO, the TGPL teams are all savvy enough to be aware of what deserves a yellow and what doesn't. The coaches are betting that the refs will be loathe to issue cards and as a result they try to exploit it. Teams need to be held accountable if they elect to play soccer in this manner.

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