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Post by brazos on 19/10/19, 11:13 am

What is the rule around playing High School and being on full-time rostered DA player? Completely not allowed or just frowned upon or kids just not being truthful with their DA clubs?

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Post by Zizou on 19/10/19, 06:01 pm

Completely not allowed, but if you are comfortable with you’re position on the team you could come off the roster during high school and then re-roster. You’re DD better be really good and not play for FCD

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Post by brazos on 19/10/19, 09:31 pm

How about practicing with the HS school daily but not playing matches? I don't know why kids would do that but it is occuring. High School has no rule against DA players participating just the other way around. It is a slippery slope.

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Post by FroZone on 19/10/19, 11:37 pm

brazos wrote:How about practicing with the HS school daily but not playing matches?  I don't know why kids would do that but it is occuring.  High School has no rule against DA players participating just the other way around.   It is a slippery slope.

Well then, grab an old cardbox box and take your DD for a ride. Just remember to get a good cell phone video of the other DA kids at HS practice so that you can take them down as well if your DD gets booted from her DA squad. Rolling Eyes
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Post by Checkpoint Charlie on 21/10/19, 12:09 am

brazos wrote:How about practicing with the HS school daily but not playing matches?  I don't know why kids would do that but it is occuring.  High School has no rule against DA players participating just the other way around.   It is a slippery slope.





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Post by brazos on 21/10/19, 07:43 am

Dumb for sure but is occuring every day in North Texas

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Post by RIP Lil Peep on 22/10/19, 06:34 pm

Are you sure its not players from the DPL stepsister "oh, are you still here?" league.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 23/10/19, 10:31 am

The fact is there isnt an actual written rule that stipulates no HS soccer for girls that play DA, except for FCD. However if you do, poster is right, you might lose your roster spot or starting position. That said I know FCD allows players to play other sports like basketball. I have heard clarification from different coaches, 10 different ways. I honestly think nobody truly knows what the rules are for this. Annoying really.

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Post by FroZone on 23/10/19, 11:23 am

Unless this is a private school we're talking about, there aren't any official soccer practices going on yet, as UIL soccer season doesn't start until after Thanksgiving.

If these "practices" are happening within regular school hours, then they are an "athletics" class, which is technically nothing more than a PE class that just happens to do soccer every class period. If the coach is fine with letting the DA kids participate in the "class", I don't see where there is any violation of either UIL, or DA rules. DA can't prevent players from taking a PE class.
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Post by Big Ern on 23/10/19, 10:39 pm

Unfortunately, both Zou and KC have been misinformed here ^ ...

There is indeed a written rule that stipulates absolutely no HS soccer competition is permitted for rostered DA players.  This now even reaches down to MS soccer with the latest revision for 2019-20.  In fact, those kids aren't allowed to even train with the DA.

Further, any DA rostered kid thinking they can be released from the roster then re enter after the HS season are mistaken as well.  I know of some that though this was the case last year and were nabbed.  If you know my kid's sitch, you know we wish this wasn't the case  Neutral

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F. Player Participation in Outside Competitions

1. Academy Players must meet all attendance and participation requirements under the Development Academy Requirements and for the individual club requirements as well, for training and games for their DA team during the Academy Season. Failure to meet those requirements should result in removal from the DA team.
2. DA Clubs may not permit any full-time Academy Player to participate on a non-DA team during the Academy Season. The only permissible soccer related reasons to miss Development Academy activities is National Team duty and YNT Identification Center participation.

3. DA Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their players.

4. Academy Players currently registered with a DA Club have committed to forgo participating in both the Academy and high school or middle school soccer.

a) Players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season.

b) Only players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their club’s Academy roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be received by the DA office before September 9, 2019, to be considered for the roster exemption. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows:

(1) Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible

(2) Although clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full team throughout the Academy season.

(3) Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.

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Post by KeeperCommander on 23/10/19, 10:52 pm

Big Ern wrote:Unfortunately, both Zou and KC have been misinformed here ^ ...

There is indeed a written rule that stipulates absolutely no HS soccer competition is permitted for rostered DA players.  This now even reaches down to MS soccer with the latest revision for 2019-20.  In fact, those kids aren't allowed to even train with the DA.

Further, any DA rostered kid thinking they can be released from the roster then re enter after the HS season are mistaken as well.  I know of some that though this was the case last year and were nabbed.  If you know my kid's sitch, you know we wish this wasn't the case  Neutral

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F. Player Participation in Outside Competitions

1. Academy Players must meet all attendance and participation requirements under the Development Academy Requirements and for the individual club requirements as well, for training and games for their DA team during the Academy Season. Failure to meet those requirements should result in removal from the DA team.
2. DA Clubs may not permit any full-time Academy Player to participate on a non-DA team during the Academy Season. The only permissible soccer related reasons to miss Development Academy activities is National Team duty and YNT Identification Center participation.

3. DA Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their players.

4. Academy Players currently registered with a DA Club have committed to forgo participating in both the Academy and high school or middle school soccer.

a) Players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season.

b) Only players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their club’s Academy roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be received by the DA office before September 9, 2019, to be considered for the roster exemption. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows:

(1) Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible

(2) Although clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full team throughout the Academy season.

(3) Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.
Please highlight the paragraph where it states you can not play basketball. You only can not play HS and MS soccer.

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Post by Big Ern on 23/10/19, 11:24 pm

Ummm ... scratch  ... basketball?  Dude.  KC.  C'mon now  bounce   

You flat out just today wrote the following ... "The fact is there isnt an actual written rule that stipulates no HS soccer for girls that play DA, except for FCD" ... in which your were clearly misinformed ... as I mentioned.  This isn't a tough one.  

Quite the contrary isn't it?  The rules are actually as clear as can be ... which, as I mentioned, is unfortunate.

Guessing one too many Schaefers this evening?

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Post by KeeperCommander on 24/10/19, 06:39 am

Big Ern wrote:Ummm ... scratch  ... basketball?  Dude.  KC.  C'mon now  bounce   

You flat out just today wrote the following ... "The fact is there isnt an actual written rule that stipulates no HS soccer for girls that play DA, except for FCD" ... in which your were clearly misinformed ... as I mentioned.  This isn't a tough one.  

Quite the contrary isn't it?  The rules are actually as clear as can be ... which, as I mentioned, is unfortunate.

Guessing one too many Schaefers this evening?
Dude. I know. Calm down. Get some water. Take your meds. Breath. You said I was misinformed. I said what about basketball? You know I wrote that DA players were playing basketball too.
Instead of running around the house pulling your hair out screaming read what you wrote, you should have written back. Well the rules only pertain to soccer but other sports, in fact probably any sport, is fine. With the written caveats.
By the way when are they supposed to split the DA and have 2 divisions?

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Post by Big Ern on 24/10/19, 07:49 am

KeeperCommander wrote:
Big Ern wrote:Ummm ... scratch  ... basketball?  Dude.  KC.  C'mon now  bounce   

You flat out just today wrote the following ... "The fact is there isnt an actual written rule that stipulates no HS soccer for girls that play DA, except for FCD" ... in which your were clearly misinformed ... as I mentioned.  This isn't a tough one.  

Quite the contrary isn't it?  The rules are actually as clear as can be ... which, as I mentioned, is unfortunate.

Guessing one too many Schaefers this evening?
Dude. I know. Calm down. Get some water. Take your meds. Breath. You said I was misinformed. I said what about basketball?  You know I wrote that DA players were playing basketball too.
Instead of running around the house pulling your hair out screaming read what you wrote, you should have written back. Well the rules only pertain to soccer but other sports, in fact probably any sport, is fine. With the written caveats.
By the way when are they supposed to split the DA and have 2 divisions?

Laughing  ... and here I thought you knew me KC.  

I know nothing of any "split" of the DA.  But if you're referring to this year's DA Cup, there are already two divisions ... the Red (top level where all automatically advance to the Winter Cup so are playing in Fall for seeding) and Blue (the lower/'wildcard' level where only the division winners advance).  

Have a nice day Smile

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Post by NoSpinZone on 24/10/19, 08:52 am

Big Ern wrote:Unfortunately, both Zou and KC have been misinformed here ^ ...

There is indeed a written rule that stipulates absolutely no HS soccer competition is permitted for rostered DA players.  This now even reaches down to MS soccer with the latest revision for 2019-20.  In fact, those kids aren't allowed to even train with the DA.

Further, any DA rostered kid thinking they can be released from the roster then re enter after the HS season are mistaken as well.  I know of some that though this was the case last year and were nabbed.  If you know my kid's sitch, you know we wish this wasn't the case  Neutral

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F. Player Participation in Outside Competitions

1. Academy Players must meet all attendance and participation requirements under the Development Academy Requirements and for the individual club requirements as well, for training and games for their DA team during the Academy Season. Failure to meet those requirements should result in removal from the DA team.
2. DA Clubs may not permit any full-time Academy Player to participate on a non-DA team during the Academy Season. The only permissible soccer related reasons to miss Development Academy activities is National Team duty and YNT Identification Center participation.

3. DA Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their players.

4. Academy Players currently registered with a DA Club have committed to forgo participating in both the Academy and high school or middle school soccer.

a) Players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season.

b) Only players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their club’s Academy roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be received by the DA office before September 9, 2019, to be considered for the roster exemption. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows:

(1) Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible

(2) Although clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full team throughout the Academy season.

(3) Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.

So who enforces?  I know several kids violating this in a non-discreet, VERY public manner.  Clubs(FCD and Solar) know and dont seem to care. I believe in snitches get stitches, so wont be me blowing the whistle, but honestly, I dont think anyone cares enough to enforce.

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Post by StuckIn on 24/10/19, 08:54 am

(3) Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.

This says "full time" , can a player be registered part time and play HS soccer?. I remember hearing about two different DA contracts, 10 month and 12 month I think, with the 10 month allowing up to 12 games. Anyone else heard of this?

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Post by Big Ern on 24/10/19, 01:25 pm

StuckIn wrote:(3) Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.

This says "full time" , can a player be registered part time and play HS soccer?. I remember hearing about two different DA contracts, 10 month and 12 month I think, with the 10 month allowing up to 12 games. Anyone else heard of this?


I think you answered your own question here Stuck.  All I can attest to regarding this ^ is that ...

Yes, PT designated players can be rostered in up to 12 regular season DA matches, and

MG at FCD won't allow HS participation regardless of PT designation.

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Post by Big Ern on 24/10/19, 01:32 pm

NoSpinZone wrote:
Big Ern wrote:Unfortunately, both Zou and KC have been misinformed here ^ ...

There is indeed a written rule that stipulates absolutely no HS soccer competition is permitted for rostered DA players.  This now even reaches down to MS soccer with the latest revision for 2019-20.  In fact, those kids aren't allowed to even train with the DA.

Further, any DA rostered kid thinking they can be released from the roster then re enter after the HS season are mistaken as well.  I know of some that though this was the case last year and were nabbed.  If you know my kid's sitch, you know we wish this wasn't the case  Neutral

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F. Player Participation in Outside Competitions

1. Academy Players must meet all attendance and participation requirements under the Development Academy Requirements and for the individual club requirements as well, for training and games for their DA team during the Academy Season. Failure to meet those requirements should result in removal from the DA team.
2. DA Clubs may not permit any full-time Academy Player to participate on a non-DA team during the Academy Season. The only permissible soccer related reasons to miss Development Academy activities is National Team duty and YNT Identification Center participation.

3. DA Clubs will be held accountable for the actions of their players.

4. Academy Players currently registered with a DA Club have committed to forgo participating in both the Academy and high school or middle school soccer.

a) Players who participate in high/middle school soccer are ineligible to participate in Academy practice and competition during that same season.

b) Only players who have been granted a waiver by the League Office will be allowed to remain on their club’s Academy roster during the high school soccer season (waivers are not available for middle school). This waiver must be received by the DA office before September 9, 2019, to be considered for the roster exemption. The waiver eligibility guidelines are as follows:

(1) Players who receive consideration or financial aid to attend a private high school based on their participation with the soccer team are eligible

(2) Although clubs are not limited to a specific number of waivers, the number is naturally self-limiting to field a full team throughout the Academy season.

(3) Full-time players registered with a DA Club will not be allowed to re-enter the program during the same season after participating in the high school season with their current or a different DA Club.

So who enforces?  I know several kids violating this in a non-discreet, VERY public manner.  Clubs(FCD and Solar) know and dont seem to care. I believe in snitches get stitches, so wont be me blowing the whistle, but honestly, I dont think anyone cares enough to enforce.

USSDA enforces but doesn't actively 'police' those incidences.  Can't speak for Solar as much, but I can tell you that FCD does indeed "care".  Sure, there are plenty of DA kids that enrolled in soccer at their respective HS that serve as managers, assistants, whatevs, but they aren't participating in the matches, nor are they rostered as players.  If they are/do, I can certainly assure you that there are many that "care" ... too many kids that have chosen to sacrifice HS ball to play in the DA.

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Post by BENDMEOVER on 24/10/19, 01:53 pm

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Post by Foxysoccermom on 26/10/19, 09:17 pm

I heard bige’s dd has to dribble a soccer ball to classes and can only socialize with other soccer players when she’s not doing drills.
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