05 LHQT bracket analysis

Been watching this 05 thread and been watching these kinds of threads since my 00 went through QT. I've always been curious as to why LH had predetermined weekend 2 based on original seeding.

My two cents, weekend 1 is simply a roadmap to how you start, but not necessarily how you should finish. Someone has to be 1 and someone has to be 44 to begin. But you can't start a stage 2 event based on how you assumed teams should've been ranked. I like BWG's FBR as much as any, but it's real value is in giving a starting point, now how how the finish should look.

LH has FINALLY done the right thing people. They've rewarded the performances of every team (by points), not just the bracket winner of week one.

backofthenet wrote:Been watching this 05 thread and been watching these kinds of threads since my 00 went through QT. I've always been curious as to why LH had predetermined weekend 2 based on original seeding.

My two cents, weekend 1 is simply a roadmap to how you start, but not necessarily how you should finish. Someone has to be 1 and someone has to be 44 to begin. But you can't start a stage 2 event based on how you assumed teams should've been ranked. I like BWG's FBR as much as any, but it's real value is in giving a starting point, now how how the finish should look.

LH has FINALLY done the right thing people. They've rewarded the performances of every team (by points), not just the bracket winner of week one.

Agree anything they can do to reward teams for earning points in round 1 (scoring 3 goals, winning games or drawing with goals scored) will make round 1 better and make round 2 better matchup as well.

SJP wrote:BW..."pretty fair"?!? Take a look at FWFC's bracket. By LH's own standard they've seeded 9, 34, 41 & 42 together...of course, the points from their bracket play "might" suggest it's fair, but where do those teams rank in the FBR? Fair?

unknowingmom....thats about the dumbest thing I've heard, shuffling to avoid club conflicts....in a couple of years, U11 D1 will consist of 20 teams comprised of Sting, FCD, L'Pool, Texans and 1 D'feeters....Just so those clubs can point and say, "see, look how grand we are...come give us your money and we'll make your dd's in WNT stars..." never mind the fact there are no NTX women in the current squad or pool players....

Why would they do this?  Do you think it has anything to do with the fact that LH is run by the large clubs?     By doing this, it increases the likelihood that the large clubs can land more teams in LH.    Ridiculous.

Why does LH even release a playing format?  If they can adjust said format to their liking after the fact, and make up the rules as they go along.

Reseeding based on week 1 point totals.  Avoiding same-club matchups.  Was there any consistency with this approach in other age groups as well?

backofthenet wrote:LH has FINALLY done the right thing people. They've rewarded the performances of every team (by points), not just the bracket winner of week one.

I agree, with one caveat.  I really do like the idea of rewarding performances in week one, but if some teams had tougher paths than others, possibly leading to fewer points, should that not also be taken into consideration?  Perhaps it was.

It should be a great second week of soccer.  Good luck to everyone!

Was there really a Round 2 bracket format released BW?  I don't think there was. I believe it was just speculation on behalf of all of us on what was previously done.
It would be more professional they released it before, but what would be the fun in that.

It does not appear that a specific 05 round 2 bracket format was released - after all, where would the fun be in establishing a format and sticking to it, when you can just do whatever you want?  But they also did not state that the large clubs were afraid of having their teams face each other.  As far as I know, this has not occurred in prior years.

It is hard for me to argue with what the committee did.  I think the brackets make sense, ensure a good competitive weekend of soccer, and will result in a strong and balanced D1 and D3.  But as we saw from Week 1 anything can happen and I always pull for the underdog anyway.  

Good luck to all teams.

Anyone picking any underdogs for this weekend?

Clearly the week 2 brackets are based on week #1 pts.

4 teams finished 2nd in their respective brackets with 12pts. Sting West West, FCD North, Sting Bean, NTFC Black.

FCD North now has to face Sting Parsons -the #5 or #6 from week 1.

Sting Bean has FWFC- the #3 or #4 from week 1

Sting West West & NTFC play each other, they should count their lucky stars

Interestingly, Fever & Divas both had 13 pts and they play each other too.

Don't forget, crazy things happen when you mix sports and 10 yr olds. Any of those teams with 8-11 pts from week 1 (the teams we're all ignoring) could turn out to have the best soccer playing weekend of their life.

Good luck to everyone.

If you don't get in, don't freak out. 5 years ago my daughter's team lost to the #2 seed 10-0. That #2 team doesn't exist anymore and we're still climbing and growing. The highs and lows make it interesting, but the longer journey is the point.

I like the way Josey Wales thinks!

Here is my bracket by bracket lame-o attempt.  It is based solely on my limited knowledge of these teams and the times I have seen them only.  No other science has gone into it.  Some of these “appear” to be obvious but as someone so astutely pointed out earlier…”Any Given Sunday”

Bracket A:
D1 – Liverpool Elite (bear was poked)
D3 – Sting Central Sanchez

Bracket B:
D1 – Rush
D3 – NT Green

Bracket C:  (this one was hard to pick.  There are 3 teams that could be in D1 or D3 IMHO…this bracket is a gift to someone)
D1 – Texans
D3 – Andromeda West Duren

Bracket D:
D1 – Fever (if Jekyll shows up and not Hyde)
D3 – Divas (Andro Red COULD be here too)

Bracket E:
D1 – FWFC (who did they bribe for this draw?)
D3 – Sting Bean (D3 with a gift of a draw)

Bracket F:
D1 – Andromeda Rundell
D3 – FCD Ring

Bracket G:
D1 – Sting Parsons
D3 – DTS Lott (they could fool around and be D1…)

Bracket H:
D1 – NT Black (that’s right, black is D1 and Green is D3)
D3 – Sting West

My two 3rd place finishers into D3:  Liverpool McMannaman (just cuz I like Steve Mc’s commentary) and Texans Red (just cuz I have no other picks and they got clobbered last week!)

Poke holes away.

Borrowing Blob's content...

Bracket A:
D1 – Liverpool Elite (bear was poked)
D3 – Sting Central Sanchez
Agree completely...

Bracket B:
D1 – Rush
D3 – NT Green
Also agree...but Green has got to figure out a way to score or it may be another long weekend

Bracket C:  (this one was hard to pick.  There are 3 teams that could be in D1 or D3 IMHO…this bracket is a gift to someone)
D1 – Texans
D3 – LFCA Shankly

Bracket D:
D1 – Fever (if Jekyll shows up and not Hyde)
D3 – Divas (Andro Red COULD be here too)
Fever SHOULD walk through this bracket...draw straws for D3

Bracket E:
D1 – FWFC (who did they bribe for this draw?)
D3 – Sting Bean (D3 with a gift of a draw)
Agree

Bracket F:
D1 – Andromeda Rundell
D3 – FCD Ring
If this one plays out any other way it will be a real shocker.

Bracket G:
D1 – Sting Parsons
D3 – DTS Lott (they could fool around and be D1…)
If DTS could figure out how to score on ANYBODY they would be competitive...if not, D3 will be FCD Blue

Bracket H:
D1 – NT Black (that’s right, black is D1 and Green is D3)
D3 – Sting West
This one should be good...toss a coin for which one is D1 vs D3.

Come on No one taking the Celtics to pull off an upset and shock the world. ( I don't have a kid on the team!) I just like a good "Rudy" 'Rocky" Story please hold off on ripping me a new one! I truly like seeing upsets, Anyone know if they have a line going in Vegas for LH? Predictions are cool but what where are our odds makers or is that a voodoo topic?
as a disclaimer I think Blogs picks are pretty good

Try the folks at Sting, they have an offshore gambling site.......ohhhhhh wait......the FBI dismantled that.....try FIFA, I hear they're super creative with extra cash that's laying around.

OLJW wrote:Try the folks at Sting, they have an offshore gambling site.......ohhhhhh wait......the FBI dismantled that.....try FIFA, I hear they're super creative with extra cash that's laying around.  

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA thats funny right there!!! wow made my day!

Here is a thought. Since the BWG is probably bored why not run the remaining teams through FBR and rank them that way see how close Lake Highlands got on their brackets...

You know, I swear that I saw the LP Elite defender that took down the FCD North striker from behind last weekend, tooling around in a brand new Bentley yesterday...

Bracket A:
D1 – Liverpool Elite (bear was poked)
D3 – Sting Central Sanchez
Elite won't screw this one up.

Bracket B:
D1 – Rush
D3 – NT Green
Rush pretty easily

Bracket C: (this one was hard to pick. There are 3 teams that could be in D1 or D3 IMHO…this bracket is a gift to someone)
D1 – Texans
D3 – LFCA Shankly
I don't know about a gift, I don't see any of these teams doing well in D1. The gift would be D3!!

Bracket D:
D1 – Fever (if Jekyll shows up and not Hyde)
D3 – Divas (Andro Red COULD be here too)
Fever shouldn't have an issue locking this one down

Bracket E:
D1 – FWFC (who did they bribe for this draw?)
D3 – Sting Bean (D3 with a gift of a draw)
They should have made first round, so this just guarantees their spot now

Bracket F:
D1 – Andromeda Rundell
D3 – FCD Ring
Andro, but they will struggle in league play

Bracket G:
D1 – Sting Parsons
D3 – DTS Lott (they could fool around and be D1…)
Parsons has always played the top, but not sure they really belong. Wouldn't be surprised if Lott makes D1, but it would not be a pretty season

Bracket H:
D1 – NT Black (that’s right, black is D1 and Green is D3)
D3 – Sting West
If there is an upset I would say this looks to be the bracket

dadof3 wrote:Here is a thought. Since the BWG is probably bored why not run the remaining teams through FBR and rank them that way see how close Lake Highlands got on their brackets...

Rankings per the final FBR ON 7-20

Teams IN & true to form
1- Solar Red
2- Sting Diaz
4- DTS
5- Solar East
7- FCD Elite
8- Feet
9- FCD Premier
12-Sting Blue

Teams  IN that FBR didn't predict

13- Sting Gray- too close to call an upset
18- Mustang's Bussey
22- Sting Garrett
24- FCD White

Teams for 2nd week

3- LFC Elite
6- Rush
10-FWFC
11-NTFC BLACK
14 Fever
15-Andro
16- Sting Parsons
17- Sting Sanchez
19- DT
20- NTFC Green
21- Athletic
23- DTS Red
25- Sting West West
26- LFC McMan
27- FCD
28- Divas
29- FCD EAST
30- Andro Red

Frankly, I think the FBR is pretty impressive to get it that close. Don't take offense if you're team isn't on this list. I'm just too lazy to type the rest.

Anarchy wrote:Bracket A:
D1 – Liverpool Elite (bear was poked)
D3 – Sting Central Sanchez
Elite won't screw this one up.

No brainer

Anarchy wrote:Bracket B:
D1 – Rush
D3 – NT Green
Rush pretty easily

Yessir, easy money

Anarchy wrote:Bracket C:  (this one was hard to pick.  There are 3 teams that could be in D1 or D3 IMHO…this bracket is a gift to someone)
D1 – Texans
D3 – LFCA Shankly
I don't know about a gift, I don't see any of these teams doing well in D1. The gift would be D3!!

LP Shankly and Andro West is a toss up for D3.  

Anarchy wrote:Bracket D:
D1 – Fever (if Jekyll shows up and not Hyde)
D3 – Divas (Andro Red COULD be here too)
Fever shouldn't have an issue locking this one down

Inconsistent Fever is easily the favorite but Andro Red will fight for D3.

Anarchy wrote:Bracket E:
D1 – FWFC (who did they bribe for this draw?)
D3 – Sting Bean (D3 with a gift of a draw)
They should have made first round, so this just guarantees their spot now

Everyone wanted to give FWFC their D1 spot last week but sorry they actually have to earn it.  Sting Bean just might give them a scare but they will get in this weekend.

Anarchy wrote:Bracket F:
D1 – Andromeda Rundell
D3 – FCD Ring
Andro, but they will struggle in league play

FCD Ring doesn't have the firepower to beat Andro but if Andro keeps playing boot ball it will be close.

Anarchy wrote:Bracket G:
D1 – Sting Parsons
D3 – DTS Lott (they could fool around and be D1…)
Parsons has always played the top, but not sure they really belong. Wouldn't be surprised if Lott makes D1, but it would not be a pretty season

This will be a battle between these two but Parsons should take it.  

Anarchy wrote:Bracket H:
D1 – NT Black (that’s right, black is D1 and Green is D3)
D3 – Sting West
If there is an upset I would say this looks to be the bracket

A battle between these two also.  I predict they tie 0-0 and it comes down to tiebreakers on the other games.

Anarchy wrote:
Parsons has always played the top, but not sure they really belong. Wouldn't be surprised if Lott makes D1, but it would not be a pretty season

I don't disagree with this, but isn't that always the case for the bottom of D1?  LOL

The bottom 5 last season went a combined 6-72-9...that's not pretty at all...and don't even look at the goal differentials.  
The previous year's bottom 5 went a combined 15-68-12...a little better, but they also played a few more games.

The moral of the story, I guess, is that with 20 teams in the D1 supergroup wins are going to be hard to find for at least 5 or 6 teams...maybe more.

I see LP Mcmanaman getting the D3 slot in group F

And I think FC Dallas gets D3 ahead of DTS South Red in group G

OLJW wrote:

dadof3 wrote:Here is a thought. Since the BWG is probably bored why not run the remaining teams through FBR and rank them that way see how close Lake Highlands got on their brackets...

Rankings per the final FBR ON 7-20

Teams IN & true to form
1- Solar Red
2- Sting Diaz
4- DTS
5- Solar East
7- FCD Elite
8- Feet
9- FCD Premier
12-Sting Blue

Teams  IN that FBR didn't predict

13- Sting Gray- too close to call an upset
18- Mustang's Bussey
22- Sting Garrett
24- FCD White

Teams for 2nd week

3- LFC Elite
6- Rush
10-FWFC
11-NTFC BLACK
14 Fever
15-Andro
16- Sting Parsons
17- Sting Sanchez
19- DT
20- NTFC Green
21- Athletic
23- DTS Red
25- Sting West West
26- LFC McMan
27- FCD
28- Divas
29- FCD EAST
30- Andro Red

Frankly, I think the FBR is pretty impressive to get it that close. Don't take offense if you're team isn't on this list. I'm just too lazy to type the rest.

Cool, and I agree wholeheartedly, but FBR is fluent due to updated matches. What I am saying is...reconfigure FBR w new data (QT week 1) and see where they stack up now. Compare the seeding according to FBR and Lake Highlands and see what happens. Is Bean significantly higher ranked and deserving of a 2 according to week 1 results? The FBR is designed to fluctuate as you input new data. Who dropped? Will FBR predict the 2nd weekend winners??

Just interesting data.

This isn't what you're looking for either, but I think it's interesting

Brackets in seed order & their last FBR #

Bracket A
LFC ELITE 3
Sting Sanchez 17
Arsenal 38
Celtic 44

Total Rank 102

Bracket B
Rush 6
NTFC GREEN 20
FCD East 29
Andro Blue 46

Total Rank 101

Bracket C
DT 19
LFC Shankly 31
FCD North Red 36
Andro West 37

Total Rank 123

Bracket D
Fever 14
Divas 28
Andro Red 30
Warriors 45

Total Rank 117

Bracket E
FWFC 10
São Paulo 34
Sting Bean 41
DT Red 42

Total Rank 127

Bracket F
Andro 15
LFC McMan 26
FCD 27
Sting Shepard 39

Total Rank 107

Bracket G
Sting Parsons 16
DTS Red 23
Kicks 32
FCD North Blue 33

Total Rank 104

Bracket H
NTFC Black 11
Athletic 21
Sting West West 25
LFC Fowler 35

Total Rank 92

bwgophers wrote:It will be interesting to see if they stuck with what I was told earlier today and interesting to see EyeOut's reaction if they did...

So, as you suggested, LH surprises from time to time. In this instance, I think the surprise has been well received. It seems you even agree (or at least largely agree). I applaud LH for doing what's right or, in its opinion, what's best for the competitiveness of its league and divisions. Sure, anyone can nitpick it.  That will always be the case. But they evaluated the seeding, the outcomes, the teams, and did what they thought was the very best they could.

Good luck to all the teams!

soccergirlsdad wrote:

Anarchy wrote:
Parsons has always played the top, but not sure they really belong. Wouldn't be surprised if Lott makes D1, but it would not be a pretty season

I don't disagree with this, but isn't that always the case for the bottom of D1?  LOL

The bottom 5 last season went a combined 6-72-9...that's not pretty at all...and don't even look at the goal differentials.  
The previous year's bottom 5 went a combined 15-68-12...a little better, but they also played a few more games.

The moral of the story, I guess, is that with 20 teams in the D1 supergroup wins are going to be hard to find for at least 5 or 6 teams...maybe more.

Of course teams 15-20 are not going to have the best record against the top 10 or 8 for that matter. Somebody has to be there. Everyone can't win. The questions are:
Which of those teams can handle playing 10-20 the best?
Which top 10 team will struggle the most in league after signing?
We already saw 4 teams struggle with round 1 of QT so is that a sign of things to come or did they have a bad weekend.
And of course who is the horse from bottom 10 that might start their move up?

Ran across this today, thought it might help a few of us (including me).

Sports parenting
1 word: Hi. Greet your child when they get in the car with “Hi” before you ask about practice, the score of the game or homework.
2 words: Have fun. In all likelihood you’ve heard this statistic: 70% of kids quit sports before they turn 13 for the primary reason that they are not having fun. Encourage and remind your kids to have fun.
3 words: Tell me more. Before forming an opinion or dispensing advice, ask for more information from your child. This will Dribble them to tell more of the story and give you more information as to what is actually happening.
4 words: Good job. Keep working. Doc Rivers, head coach of the Los Angeles Clippers and parent of a NBA player suggests these four words. Rivers notes that as parents we are often tempted to say more and analyze their kids performance, but saying only this might be what’s best for the kid who simply needs support.
5 words: What’s new in your world? Ask your kids general questions that are not about gymnastics. Even if the reply is “nothing” it gives you the opportunity to share something about your day.
6 words: I love to watch you play. Best six words ever.
7 words: So what do you think about that? You know your opinion, so before you jump to tell your child what it is, ask what his/her opinion is. You are not only learning more about what your child thinks but are also helping develop critical thinking skills.
8 words: Is there something I can do to help? Before you give a solution or an action plan, ask if that is what the child really wants. Sometimes all the child wants to do is blow off some steam, and we jump directly to “solving” the problem.
9 words: You are more important to me than your achievements. You may be thinking that of course this is true. But remind your child of it. In the absence of hearing this from you, your children might think that one of the reasons you love them is because of what they do, not because of who they are.
10 words: No matter what, I’m glad that I am yourparent. To be loved wholly and completely for exactly who we are, flaws and all, is the greatest gift one person can give another. Please give that gift to your child.