NTX girl soccer speculations

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Big Ern wrote:Has US Soccer ever been clear water?  Should we hearken back to the good ole' days of our entire NT being from New Jersey?

I understand that if you're looking strictly at the past few years before many of you had kids or cared at all about the sport, it seems messy and ever changing.  

This particular release isn't an announcement for a new league, just a refinement dictated by the market that, in my opinion, will help to simplify things rather than muddy the waters.  I believe (as the USSDA, USYS and US Club do) that these refinements are being made in the best interest of the sport and all involved.  Sure, it's still messy during transitional years, but this particular development should result in this in the very near future ...  

GDA clubs have USYS National Leagues underneath (i.e. FDL)
ECNL clubs have US Club Leagues underneath (i.e. TCL)

I hear ya Biggie.  The intention is there but is the ability to execute?  I am with Angie and just tired of being frustrated with the constant changes.  I need to just roll with it.

My real concern with FDL is that it is unquestionably a B league.  It involves DA clubs and therefore is made up of the B teams of those clubs.  Honest question to you because you have more national exposure than I do:  How many DA clubs can field 2 strong teams?  The DA team will be the top team but can a second "B" team really compete?  ECNL will never be that because there are clubs that only do ECNL and can roll out their top squads.  Whether it is a Sting or a Michigan Hawks, the top team is in ECNL.  Is there enough talent in the DA clubs to make FDL and those 8 others truly competitive and a venue for college scouts?  Asking for Pk, who I consider a close friend.

Big Ern wrote:

AngelinaGoalee wrote:Not necessarily...but then again that’s sort of generalizing. Negativity as you may perceive it may just be simple aggravation of the constant...what we (maybe) perceive as unwarranted change. Don’t tell me you’re that cool you don’t sigh from frustration or even cuss at things you have no control over...it’s all good right?

It almost seems like you take it personal that posters express their distaste.

Understood AG, but hence the word "most".  And no -- Not many sighs or much frustration that I can recall ... and until someone writes something negative directed at one of my kids, I would never take anything written on this forum personally.

SickofStupidity wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

SickofStupidity wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

AngelinaGoalee wrote:

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

but LP is advertising their participation in the current SRPL...hmmm

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

SickofStupidity wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Big Ern wrote:Has US Soccer ever been clear water?  Should we hearken back to the good ole' days of our entire NT being from New Jersey?

I understand that if you're looking strictly at the past few years before many of you had kids or cared at all about the sport, it seems messy and ever changing.  

This particular release isn't an announcement for a new league, just a refinement dictated by the market that, in my opinion, will help to simplify things rather than muddy the waters.  I believe (as the USSDA, USYS and US Club do) that these refinements are being made in the best interest of the sport and all involved.  Sure, it's still messy during transitional years, but this particular development should result in this in the very near future ...  

GDA clubs have USYS National Leagues underneath (i.e. FDL)
ECNL clubs have US Club Leagues underneath (i.e. TCL)

I hear ya Biggie.  The intention is there but is the ability to execute?  I am with Angie and just tired of being frustrated with the constant changes.  I need to just roll with it.

My real concern with FDL is that it is unquestionably a B league.  It involves DA clubs and therefore is made up of the B teams of those clubs.  Honest question to you because you have more national exposure than I do:  How many DA clubs can field 2 strong teams?  The DA team will be the top team but can a second "B" team really compete?  ECNL will never be that because there are clubs that only do ECNL and can roll out their top squads.  Whether it is a Sting or a Michigan Hawks, the top team is in ECNL.  Is there enough talent in the DA clubs to make FDL and those 8 others truly competitive and a venue for college scouts?  Asking for Pk, who I consider a close friend.

And what is the impact to ECNL Texas Conference?

I presume that starts with a question of whether FCD and Solar send their #2 or #3 teams to FDL / ECNL (or even remain in ECNL).

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Big Ern wrote:Has US Soccer ever been clear water?  Should we hearken back to the good ole' days of our entire NT being from New Jersey?

I understand that if you're looking strictly at the past few years before many of you had kids or cared at all about the sport, it seems messy and ever changing.  

This particular release isn't an announcement for a new league, just a refinement dictated by the market that, in my opinion, will help to simplify things rather than muddy the waters.  I believe (as the USSDA, USYS and US Club do) that these refinements are being made in the best interest of the sport and all involved.  Sure, it's still messy during transitional years, but this particular development should result in this in the very near future ...  

GDA clubs have USYS National Leagues underneath (i.e. FDL)
ECNL clubs have US Club Leagues underneath (i.e. TCL)

I hear ya Biggie.  The intention is there but is the ability to execute?  I am with Angie and just tired of being frustrated with the constant changes.  I need to just roll with it.

My real concern with FDL is that it is unquestionably a B league.  It involves DA clubs and therefore is made up of the B teams of those clubs.  Honest question to you because you have more national exposure than I do:  How many DA clubs can field 2 strong teams?  The DA team will be the top team but can a second "B" team really compete?  ECNL will never be that because there are clubs that only do ECNL and can roll out their top squads.  Whether it is a Sting or a Michigan Hawks, the top team is in ECNL.  Is there enough talent in the DA clubs to make FDL and those 8 others truly competitive and a venue for college scouts?  Asking for Pk, who I consider a close friend.

And what is the impact to ECNL Texas Conference?

I presume that starts with a question of whether FCD and Solar send their #2 or #3 teams to FDL / ECNL (or even remain in ECNL).

Love it TBurger!

Yes -- FDL is set up to be a "B" league as, in my opinion, it (SRPL) has been since the inception on the ECNL.  The same now goes for with ECNL with it's NPL (TCL is it's division here).  And no -- Cases of being able to field 2 elite teams in the same age group per club will be very rare anywhere across the country.  I believe much of the reason for this is that there are too many parents that think their kid is too good to play on the "B" team so will go to the next club for a spot on the GDA or ECNL team.

And SoSy --

Other than GDA now having it's HS playing + non restrictive substitution rules option, which may entice some to stay with/come back to the GDA clubs from the ECNL clubs, I don't think the USYS restructure will have much impact on ECNL TX other than losing Texans.

And from what I've seen and heard, I'd guess that at Solar and FCD the ECNL teams will generally be the #2, with FDL #3 for U14+ ... for 1 more year at least

ForReal wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:As I mentioned, I believe the majority of these changes are backed by valid reasoning, purpose and have goals.

If you're referring to why the new USYS structure, I've listed a few reasons in this and other recent (I think) threads.  If you're referring to other changes and are interested in my opinion as to "why", let me know here or via PM and I'd be happy to give them --

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

BigE, you sure you're right about this?  I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

AngelinaGoalee wrote:

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

TatonkaBurger wrote:

Big Ern wrote:Has US Soccer ever been clear water?  Should we hearken back to the good ole' days of our entire NT being from New Jersey?

I understand that if you're looking strictly at the past few years before many of you had kids or cared at all about the sport, it seems messy and ever changing.  

This particular release isn't an announcement for a new league, just a refinement dictated by the market that, in my opinion, will help to simplify things rather than muddy the waters.  I believe (as the USSDA, USYS and US Club do) that these refinements are being made in the best interest of the sport and all involved.  Sure, it's still messy during transitional years, but this particular development should result in this in the very near future ...  

GDA clubs have USYS National Leagues underneath (i.e. FDL)
ECNL clubs have US Club Leagues underneath (i.e. TCL)

I hear ya Biggie.  The intention is there but is the ability to execute?  I am with Angie and just tired of being frustrated with the constant changes.  I need to just roll with it.

My real concern with FDL is that it is unquestionably a B league.  It involves DA clubs and therefore is made up of the B teams of those clubs.  Honest question to you because you have more national exposure than I do:  How many DA clubs can field 2 strong teams?  The DA team will be the top team but can a second "B" team really compete?  ECNL will never be that because there are clubs that only do ECNL and can roll out their top squads.  Whether it is a Sting or a Michigan Hawks, the top team is in ECNL.  Is there enough talent in the DA clubs to make FDL and those 8 others truly competitive and a venue for college scouts?  Asking for Pk, who I consider a close friend.

And what is the impact to ECNL Texas Conference?

I presume that starts with a question of whether FCD and Solar send their #2 or #3 teams to FDL / ECNL (or even remain in ECNL).

Love it TBurger!

Yes -- FDL is set up to be a "B" league as, in my opinion, it (SRPL) has been since the inception on the ECNL.  The same now goes for with ECNL with it's NPL (TCL is it's division here).  And no -- Cases of being able to field 2 elite teams in the same age group per club will be very rare anywhere across the country.  I believe much of the reason for this is that there are too many parents that think their kid is too good to play on the "B" team so will go to the next club for a spot on the GDA or ECNL team.

And SoSy --

Other than GDA now having it's HS playing + non restrictive substitution rules option, which may entice some to stay with/come back to the GDA clubs from the ECNL clubs, I don't think the USYS restructure will have much impact on ECNL TX other than losing Texans.

And from what I've seen and heard, I'd guess that at Solar and FCD the ECNL teams will generally be the #2, with FDL #3 for U14+ ... for 1 more year at least

come again.....
I dont read a lot of informative articles...thats why i ask so many question lol. but did I miss something?

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Im back..
Legues next season: In order

DA
ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here

dakobbie03 wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Im back..
Legues next season: In order

DA
ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here

What do you mean when you say "mix of team players"?  team players that are not on 1st or 2nd or 3rd teams?

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Im back..
Legues next season: In order

DA
ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:

dakobbie03 wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Im back..
Legues next season: In order

DA
ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here

What do you mean when you say "mix of team players"?  team players that are not on 1st or 2nd or 3rd teams?

Let me clarify: Not sure. Could be new team or you move a whole team within the club into this spot.

DeltaTauChi wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:

dakobbie03 wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:Im back..
Legues next season: In order

DA
ECNL - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting
FDL - Solar, FCD, 3rd teams at Texans (2nd)
ECNL Composite - Solar, FCD, Feet, Sting (mix team of players)
TCL - Mix team of players
LH - Standard procedure here

What do you mean when you say "mix of team players"?  team players that are not on 1st or 2nd or 3rd teams?

Let me clarify: Not sure. Could be new team or you move a whole team within the club into this spot.

The problem is the Composite term isn't used as strictly as it should be, and that causes confusion.

The only official ECNL Composite age group in the TX conference is U18/U19.  For league play, those teams do travel with the other ECNL teams in the club, and play their matches on the same dates, at the same locations, as the other ECNL age groups.  However, these U18/U19 ECNL Composite teams do NOT participate in the ECNL National Showcases, nor do they have any post-season playoffs.  

The ECNL composite teams will be the #2 U18/U19 team at Sting and D'Feeters, and are standalone teams.  Not sure what the heck FCD and Solar will cobble together for that this year, relative to DA, FPL, and ECNL.

"Composite" teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL.  For Sting and D'Feeters, I think both clubs still use the term "composite" to the teams they place in TCL, which for U17 and below, are generally the #2 teams in the age group for the club.

Again, not sure what terminology, or what level of team FCD, Solar, and Texans will place in TCL this year.

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:"Composite teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL."

It will this year with ECNL. Not sure what they will call it but it will happen.

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:They will have ECNL

DeltaTauChi wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:"Composite teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL."

It will this year with ECNL. Not sure what they will call it but it will happen.

IMO, "affiliation" doesn't mean squat unless the composite teams in the younger age groups will actually play their league matches on the same dates and at the same locations as the primary ECNL teams.

TCL as it has played out over the past 2 years, was a complete waste of time and money to the parents/players involved.  The competition level was no different to what LH D1 was before TCL, and just like LH D1 league matches, college coaches aren't showing up at TCL league matches.  So why spend the money to travel to Houston, Austin/SA, and OK if you aren't getting any college exposure benefit out of it?

FPL will be no different from TCL, unless FPL can get it right and coordinate the FPL schedule with the DA schedule.  Then, you might actually have a chance at getting some recruiting benefit from the regional travel.

As it stands today, the only benefit of TCL and FPL is to the clubs, as they no longer have to concern themselves with relegation if their #2 team in any group sucks.

Big Ern wrote:

DeltaTauChi wrote:

Son_ofa_Pitch wrote:"Composite teams in any other age group, have no direct affiliation to ECNL."

It will this year with ECNL. Not sure what they will call it but it will happen.

IMO, "affiliation" doesn't mean squat unless the composite teams in the younger age groups will actually play their league matches on the same dates and at the same locations as the primary ECNL teams.

TCL as it has played out over the past 2 years, was a complete waste of time and money to the parents/players involved.  The competition level was no different to what LH D1 was before TCL, and just like LH D1 league matches, college coaches aren't showing up at TCL league matches.  So why spend the money to travel to Houston, Austin/SA, and OK if you aren't getting any college exposure benefit out of it?

FPL will be no different from TCL, unless FPL can get it right and coordinate the FPL schedule with the DA schedule.  Then, you might actually have a chance at getting some recruiting benefit from the regional travel.

As it stands today, the only benefit of TCL and FPL is to the clubs, as they no longer have to concern themselves with relegation if their #2 team in any group sucks.

Agreed DTX when it comes to TCL.  

But it looks like the plan for FDL is indeed to coordinate schedules with GDA when it comes to travel to those clubs specifically.  As I've mentioned, this is likely a major reason that the GDA clubs chose this path -- logistical efficiency.  Also, it looks like in addition to the league matches, and the USYS Championships pathway, they'll be participating in a GDA Showcase with the DPL (soon to be renamed when added to the USYS umbrella) which is the exact same concept in SoCal.

Big Ern wrote:

ForReal wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

Big Ern wrote:

SickofStupidity wrote:

jogobonito06 wrote:

What's the impact on SRPL?

same question -

as I read it -

"The current system of US Youth Soccer Regional Leagues (Eastern Regional League, Midwest Regional League, Southern Regional Premier League and the Far West Regional League) will cease to exist at the conclusion of the 2017-18 soccer season."


and yet one club posting new tryouts this morning advertising their involvement next year in SRPL

Right.  The SRPL this year is literally being restructured into the FDL next year, with Texans, Solar, FCD, Energy, Lone Star and Dash making up the participating clubs.

What about the teams from non-DA clubs that have already qualified?  Separate league?

BigE, you sure you're right about this?  I see the UYS Regional Leagues as something different than FPL.

It's all laid out here ...

https://www.usyouthsoccer.org/us-youth-soccer-announces-new-leagues-structure---the-us-youth-soccer-national-leagues/

I'd say if it's posted on the USYS site, it's reputable information.  Not sure about the non GDA clubs that have qualified, but it mentions something in the announcement of honoring those that have earned Premier spots this year, next year --