Are we going off the deep end?

ballhead wrote:

my2cents wrote:

ballhead wrote:

my2cents wrote:

ballhead wrote:

silentparent wrote:


I totally disagree. Field marshals are the first line. Because they can actually DO something, kick them out. Most parents including me, are there to watch their kids play, not police dopes who have no control over themselves. Make an example and the herd will follow. I have been a field marshal and it is amazing how polite the crowds are when you are there watching the game with them and they know it.....

A field marshal cannot do anything besides call someone else to come down and deal with the problem, in other words, escalate it. I agree that a field marshal being present is very helpful, but they have no power to kick anyone out, and in fact, are instructed to do nothing other than call a LHGCL rep to the field.

Depending on what's going on in the rest of the complex at the time, it may take a few minutes for someone to get there, allowing the situation to continue to boil. If the other parents are too busy watching the game to attempt to calm a volatile situation, then they really can't complain much if the issue escalates to an abandonment with the new penalties that were spelled out.

NO, at that point with someone who is experienced at handling these things, it is over. The offender is calmly told that they are in violation of the league and NTSSA code of conduct and that he/she must stop. If the action is bad enough, or the objection to the instructions bad enough then the person is told they must leave. If they protest then calmly inform them that they have two choices. "One is by the time I get my cell phone out you can be walking toward the exit or collecting your gear in preparation for leaving the facility. Two is I call local law enforcment and in front of your friends and children you will be arrested, hand-cuffed and removed from the facility. Your choice, what is it going to be?"

In over 1000 hours of field marshalling as an admin for a rec association I have ejected more than I can remember. I was never touched at all and only had to make the call once. The key is to not take their trash talking and inane protestations personally, be calm, professional and firm.

In LHGCL, a field marshal CANNOT eject anyone, period. Their job is to notify the LHGCL rep on duty. I have been a field marshal many times, and have heard the speech many times, so no matter how much you protest about how things are done at your rec association, its not how its done with LHGCL. Field marshal's are not "experienced at handling these things", they are a parent or volunteer from the home team.

From their website: "During game, call in injuries, or ask for assistance if needed during your game. Do not get involved with angry parents, coaches or referees. If a situation arises, call in for a commissioner to come to the field."

Now you can argue that its a bad process, and you may be right, but that's the process they use.

Read the post. Did not advocate the volunteers doing it. The admins (commissioners) need to enforce the code of conduct firmly. They are there as field marshalls as well. I was admin for 12 years, never asked a volunteer field marshall, coach or a parent to handle an out of control spectator. Same system, smaller scale, crap not tolerated.

I did read the post. The commissioner is not a field marshal, at least not in the LHGCL world. Your rec association may have defined it differently, but having been around LHGCL for over 8 years, and having volunteered as a field marshal many, many times, I'm comfortable with what the roles are.

If you meant to say that the commissioner can and should do it, that's fine, but its incorrect to say that a field marshal can or should eject someone.

10sDad wrote:College Coaches come to watch teams that win. Or they watch championship games at tournaments.

If your kid is on a team that loses a game or two due to bad refereeing, they will not get looked at by college coaches unless you beg and hound specific coaches to come look specifically at your DD.

Just sayin'

Then y'all wonder why parents get upset over incorrect, game-affecting or result-altering calls by refs. At the college recruiting age, winning IS everything - development takes a back seat. Development without exposure equates to a really good intramural player in college - nothing more. And if you disagree, you are fooling yourself.

my2cents wrote:

ballhead wrote:

my2cents wrote:

ballhead wrote:

my2cents wrote:

ballhead wrote:

A field marshal cannot do anything besides call someone else to come down and deal with the problem, in other words, escalate it. I agree that a field marshal being present is very helpful, but they have no power to kick anyone out, and in fact, are instructed to do nothing other than call a LHGCL rep to the field.

Depending on what's going on in the rest of the complex at the time, it may take a few minutes for someone to get there, allowing the situation to continue to boil. If the other parents are too busy watching the game to attempt to calm a volatile situation, then they really can't complain much if the issue escalates to an abandonment with the new penalties that were spelled out.

NO, at that point with someone who is experienced at handling these things, it is over. The offender is calmly told that they are in violation of the league and NTSSA code of conduct and that he/she must stop. If the action is bad enough, or the objection to the instructions bad enough then the person is told they must leave. If they protest then calmly inform them that they have two choices. "One is by the time I get my cell phone out you can be walking toward the exit or collecting your gear in preparation for leaving the facility. Two is I call local law enforcment and in front of your friends and children you will be arrested, hand-cuffed and removed from the facility. Your choice, what is it going to be?"

In over 1000 hours of field marshalling as an admin for a rec association I have ejected more than I can remember. I was never touched at all and only had to make the call once. The key is to not take their trash talking and inane protestations personally, be calm, professional and firm.

In LHGCL, a field marshal CANNOT eject anyone, period. Their job is to notify the LHGCL rep on duty. I have been a field marshal many times, and have heard the speech many times, so no matter how much you protest about how things are done at your rec association, its not how its done with LHGCL. Field marshal's are not "experienced at handling these things", they are a parent or volunteer from the home team.

From their website: "During game, call in injuries, or ask for assistance if needed during your game. Do not get involved with angry parents, coaches or referees. If a situation arises, call in for a commissioner to come to the field."

Now you can argue that its a bad process, and you may be right, but that's the process they use.

Read the post. Did not advocate the volunteers doing it. The admins (commissioners) need to enforce the code of conduct firmly. They are there as field marshalls as well. I was admin for 12 years, never asked a volunteer field marshall, coach or a parent to handle an out of control spectator. Same system, smaller scale, crap not tolerated.

I did read the post. The commissioner is not a field marshal, at least not in the LHGCL world. Your rec association may have defined it differently, but having been around LHGCL for over 8 years, and having volunteered as a field marshal many, many times, I'm comfortable with what the roles are.

If you meant to say that the commissioner can and should do it, that's fine, but its incorrect to say that a field marshal can or should eject someone.

A person who is at a game location for the purpose of overseeing the enforcing the rules of the league or complex is field marshalling. The commissioner is there to field marshall not to commission.