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Re: JD's departure from FCD

Post by ballhead on 13/02/14, 03:15 pm

silentparent wrote:
Lefty wrote:Nope. But see Ballhead's post. 3 or 4 is probably the right answer for NTX 3 if they wants the teams to be competitive and 4 if they don't care.

then why not decertify them and give it to a club that is shown they are viable?

I can actually see that happening.  Don't know if it will, but I think it could be argued.  In comparison to Sting, Texans, FCD, and Solar, Feet is the weakest link.  

That said, I still don't believe the next Texas Division club they add will be Liverpool.

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 03:18 pm

Lefty wrote:
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Lefty wrote:Nope. But see Ballhead's post. 3 or 4 is probably the right answer for NTX 3 if they wants the teams to be competitive and 4 if they don't care.

then why not decertify them and give it to a club that is shown they are viable?

Viable at what?  

If I had to place a bet on a club fulfilling the ECNL criteria in NTX and displacing one of the incumbents in the next 2-4 years it would be Rush rather then Liverpool based on organizational history and success.

maybe but i doubt it. best thing would be for LP to acquire the dfeeters....

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Post by Lefty on 13/02/14, 03:31 pm

silentparent wrote:
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Lefty wrote:Nope. But see Ballhead's post. 3 or 4 is probably the right answer for NTX 3 if they wants the teams to be competitive and 4 if they don't care.

then why not decertify them and give it to a club that is shown they are viable?

Viable at what?  

If I had to place a bet on a club fulfilling the ECNL criteria in NTX and displacing one of the incumbents in the next 2-4 years it would be Rush rather then Liverpool based on organizational history and success.

maybe but i doubt it. best thing would be for LP to acquire the dfeeters....

Best thing for who?  Liverpool?

D'Feeters may prefer Rush as organization if they have to go the merger route and ECNL already knows Rush capabilities.

I still think if D'feeters loses the spot then NTX stays at 4.

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 03:42 pm

so lefty, one small club to another small presence here in ntx? not good for ntx soccer imo..

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Post by Lefty on 13/02/14, 03:53 pm

silentparent wrote:so lefty, one small club to another small presence here in ntx? not good for ntx soccer imo..

Said slightly different, one small but storied local club to a large club with national presence already in ECNL and the ability to scale.

Where we differ is on what is better for NTX.  

I think 3 ECNL teams that are competitive regionally and nationally in every age group vs 5 teams of which 3 are not competitive in most age groups.

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 04:07 pm

By what rationale are people thinking Liverpool has anywhere close to the track record of feet?

Are we talking about ulittles or actual select teams? No offense to LP, but it's not even close, and to compare them is almost laughable.

LP's only ECNL quality select teams left with pulpaneck. They're a volume club with a couple promising ulittle teams. Feet's track record with ECNL age players is on a different level entirely from Liverpool.

Actually, looking at current ECNL standings, you'll have hard time justifying Feet as the weakest link in NTX.

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 04:08 pm

Lefty wrote:
silentparent wrote:so lefty, one small club to another small presence here in ntx? not good for ntx soccer imo..

Said slightly different, one small but storied local club to a large club with national presence already in ECNL and the ability to scale.

Where we differ is on what is better for NTX.  

I think 3 ECNL teams that are competitive regionally and nationally in every age group vs 5 teams of which 3 are not competitive in most age groups.

i see your point but scale up here? i think that boat sailed w LP. they are several years too late imo...

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 04:10 pm

4-3-3 wrote:By what rationale are people thinking Liverpool has anywhere close to the track record of feet?

Are we talking about ulittles or actual select teams? No offense to LP, but it's not even close, and to compare them is almost laughable.

LP's only ECNL quality select teams left with pulpaneck. They're a volume club with a couple promising ulittle teams. Feet's track record with ECNL age players is on a different level entirely from Liverpool.

Actually, looking at current ECNL standings, you'll have hard time justifying Feet as the weakest link in NTX.

dfeeters in ntx are on life support. give lp a ecnl status and you would see an exodus from the other clubs. they know that so they fight against it and are perfectly content to let the laggardly dfeeters keep their ecnl....

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 04:12 pm

well thats it for me, singing lp's praises is tiring and uncomfortable, but imo in this case its the right thing...

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 08:24 pm

silentparent wrote:well thats it for me, singing lp's praises is tiring and uncomfortable, but imo in this case its the right thing...

The feet business model has never been the same as mega club. A parent of a pre teen may perceive dfeeters as weak because there aren't multiple strong feet teams running around at the younger years. You also may not have seen older teams play much, and thus have little idea of what the end product will look like down the road. I have no affiliation with feet, but I've seen enough of their teams play across multiple age groups that I can say I like their style of play. I've also seen a ton of Liverpool, boys and girls, and a Liverpool team with an attractive, skillful style is the exception, not the norm. Just my opinion here. The older a feet team the better they get. It's almost polar opposite for Liverpool. Again...my opinion.

The mass volume Liverpool business model is the same as TFC's. Seemingly healthy from the outside due to explosive growth, but prone to sudden and catastrophic implosion.

There is no problem with singing your club's praises, but if you're going after another club to build up your own, facts would help.  You label feet laggards...on last legs...etc...as if Liverpool has done anything to show they prepare teenaged kids for national level competition (i.e. ECNL).

Here are the facts. Liverpool has tons of teams, but when you look at their SELECT teams in lake highlands you get:

U19....one mid pack d2
U17...none
U16...one top d3, one mid pack d1
U15...one mid pack d3, one bottom third d3, one last place d1
U14...none
U13...one bottom third d2
U12...one mid pack d3, two top third d3
U11...four d1 in a 20 team d1...only one of which is likely to remain d1

So a grand total of ONE select team in top third of D1, and that team is a u11...in the ENTIRE club.  Two age groups without a single lake highlands level team...let alone a nationally competitive team. In the ecnl age groups, it's not a stretch to conclude Liverpool has zero teams that could compete at that level.

Contrast that with Feet's current ecnl standings below. Only one team not in the top third of the Texas conference:

U14 ECNL...2nd
U15 ECNL...10th (last)
U16 ECNL..3rd
U17 ECNL...3rd
U18 ECNL...3rd

And that's if you're using game results as your criteria. If you switch it to kids placed in college soccer, feet's record is going to trounce Liverpool by an even wider margin. Only criteria where Liverpool claims the upper hand on feet is total quantity of revenue generating teams...great metric for Liverpool principals, but should be worth a hill of beans to a parent.

The reason it's such a hard, tiresome and uncomfortable sell is once you get out of academy, the facts don't support the sales pitch.

LW leaves to one of the ECNL clubs and Liverpool goes the way of TFC.

Unless ECNL does the right thing and adopts a model allowing some individual teams to play their way in, Liverpool shouldn't even be in the discussion for an ECNL bid...they've haven't shown they're even remotely deserving, and throwing rocks at feet given liverpool track record is reeediculo!

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 08:29 pm

Nice work there buddy.

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 08:40 pm

The way feet are going they may be out of business in a couple of years....why aren't people flocking to them with all that glory you are bestowing on them?

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Post by Lefty on 13/02/14, 08:46 pm

silentparent wrote:
4-3-3 wrote:By what rationale are people thinking Liverpool has anywhere close to the track record of feet?

Are we talking about ulittles or actual select teams? No offense to LP, but it's not even close, and to compare them is almost laughable.

LP's only ECNL quality select teams left with pulpaneck. They're a volume club with a couple promising ulittle teams. Feet's track record with ECNL age players is on a different level entirely from Liverpool.

Actually, looking at current ECNL standings, you'll have hard time justifying Feet as the weakest link in NTX.

dfeeters in ntx are on life support. give lp a ecnl status and you would see an exodus from the other clubs. they know that so they fight against it and are perfectly content to let the laggardly dfeeters keep their ecnl....

You keep sharing your opinion that 'the right thing, Liverpool is owed, and there would be an exodus' from other clubs to Liverpool, but have failed to provide any rationale, let alone facts to support your opinion.  

My kids have played at all the ECNL clubs, and they all have their pros and cons.  Please help me understand what the attraction is at Liverpool and why they deserve an ECNL spot relative to any other club.

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Post by futbollove on 13/02/14, 08:48 pm

4-3-3 pretty much killed all discussions on this topic.
Nice job buddy. Very Happy 
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Post by futbollove on 13/02/14, 08:50 pm

Lefty wrote:
silentparent wrote:
4-3-3 wrote:By what rationale are people thinking Liverpool has anywhere close to the track record of feet?

Are we talking about ulittles or actual select teams? No offense to LP, but it's not even close, and to compare them is almost laughable.

LP's only ECNL quality select teams left with pulpaneck. They're a volume club with a couple promising ulittle teams. Feet's track record with ECNL age players is on a different level entirely from Liverpool.

Actually, looking at current ECNL standings, you'll have hard time justifying Feet as the weakest link in NTX.

dfeeters in ntx are on life support. give lp a ecnl status and you would see an exodus from the other clubs. they know that so they fight against it and are perfectly content to let the laggardly dfeeters keep their ecnl....

You keep sharing your opinion that 'the right thing, Liverpool is owed, and there would be an exodus' from other clubs to Liverpool, but have failed to provide any rationale, let alone facts to support your opinion.  

My kids have played at all the ECNL clubs, and they all have their pros and cons.  Please help me understand what the attraction is at Liverpool and why they deserve an ECNL spot relative to any other club.
And I'd be interested in knowing why you think there would be an exodus to LP?
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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 08:53 pm

Because coaches are stuck in place, give them an option and they will jump ship, just in their nature. As I posted D'Feeters couldn't even get consideration withttheir present organization.

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Post by sccrprntsrcrazy on 13/02/14, 08:53 pm

futbollove wrote:4-3-3 pretty much killed all discussions on this topic.
Nice job buddy. Very Happy 
+1 Laughing 

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 08:56 pm

sccrprntsrcrazy wrote:
futbollove wrote:4-3-3 pretty much killed all discussions on this topic.
Nice job buddy. Very Happy 
+1 Laughing 

Lmao by his own criteria D'Feeters would not have a leg to stand on applying for ecnl now

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 08:57 pm

silentparent wrote:Because coaches are stuck in place,  give them an option and they will jump ship,  just in their nature.  As I posted D'Feeters couldn't even get consideration withttheir present organization.  

This your first rodeo partner?

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Post by Soccertime10 on 13/02/14, 08:59 pm

I agree with what the others have said.
When I am driving down the road and see a window decal that says Solar, Sting, Texans, etc, It makes me think of "National Championships". When I see a Liverpool decal, I immediately think "Little girls soccer" and "crazy coaches and parents that like to argue on the forums".
Liverpool is a "nobody" at the select ages. They have almost no chance to get into ECNL. Liverpool has already built a bad reputation that is going to be hard to shake.

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 09:04 pm

Let's see an organization growing, raising millions for new facilities, huge academy program vs a D'Feeters with 15 teams total in select and academy and mediocre facilities....

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Post by Lefty on 13/02/14, 09:07 pm

silentparent wrote:Because coaches are stuck in place,  give them an option and they will jump ship,  just in their nature.  As I posted D'Feeters couldn't even get consideration withttheir present organization.  

You are getting more irrational by the minute, and still have not explained what the attraction is at Liverpool.
 
What makes you think coaches are stuck in place, we just had two significant names move to Sting in the last couple of weeks.

Based on previous posts, size and number of teams is not one of the criteria for ECNL particularly if most of the teams are not high achieving teams.

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 09:08 pm

Soccertime10 wrote:I agree with what the others have said.
When I am driving down the road and see a window decal that says Solar, Sting, Texans, etc, It makes me think of "National Championships".   When I see a Liverpool decal, I immediately think "Little girls soccer" and "crazy coaches and parents that like to argue on the forums".  
Liverpool is a "nobody" at the select ages.   They have almost no chance to get into ECNL.   Liverpool has already built a bad reputation that is going to be hard to shake.

Funny you didn't mention D'Feeters...

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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 09:09 pm

Lefty wrote:
silentparent wrote:Because coaches are stuck in place,  give them an option and they will jump ship,  just in their nature.  As I posted D'Feeters couldn't even get consideration withttheir present organization.  

You are getting more irrational by the minute, and still have not explained what the attraction is at Liverpool.
 
What makes you think coaches are stuck in place, we just had two significant names move to Sting in the last couple of weeks.

Based on previous posts, size and number of teams is not one of the criteria for ECNL particularly if most of the teams are not high achieving teams.

Yep old boy network seems to be the criteria. You just proved my point coaches will move w opportunity...

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Post by futbollove on 13/02/14, 09:10 pm

Lefty wrote:
silentparent wrote:Because coaches are stuck in place,  give them an option and they will jump ship,  just in their nature.  As I posted D'Feeters couldn't even get consideration withttheir present organization.  

You are getting more irrational by the minute, and still have not explained what the attraction is at Liverpool.
 
What makes you think coaches are stuck in place, we just had two significant names move to Sting in the last couple of weeks.

Based on previous posts, size and number of teams is not one of the criteria for ECNL particularly if most of the teams are not high achieving teams.
And by most, he/she means 0 in select.
And 2 or 3 in academy.
This out of hundreds of teams.
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Post by Guest on 13/02/14, 09:15 pm

Huge doesnt equal quality. Have you once put forth an argument for the quality on the field? What happens WHEN LW bolts for ECNL with his cubs?

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