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Post by SD69 on 22/07/15, 11:03 am

Imagine a current sophomore heading into her Sr year Fall of 2017 not being able to play when rule goes into effect. Hopefully current select aged girls will be grandfathered out of this amendment Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Triumph FC on 22/07/15, 11:03 am

I was told this COULD BE EVERYONE!
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Post by Guest on 22/07/15, 11:04 am

Mr. Triumph is living on hope and a prayer!

and here i thought the british were pesimists, not optimists... haha

Carry on Mr. Triumph, carry on... change is coming.. when and how is to be announced soon.  you, me, and everyone will be impacted in some way shape or form.

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Post by Deuce on 22/07/15, 11:09 am

Love how the absence of actual info brings out all the theories- both realistic & off the wall.

Wish NTSSA would just get moving and make the official announcement instead of letting things twist in the wind. Once the words get out, the best thing is get the official stuff out ASAP.

Sadly that doesn't appear to be how NTSSA operates.

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Post by Triumph FC on 22/07/15, 11:13 am

Very Happy
No one is living on a hope and prayer. I know change is coming everyone knows change is coming. LH, API and PPL HAVE to make the change for it to happen in 2016. 2017 they HAVE to change........that makes sense for them to change in 2 years not 1
Academy leagues will be 4v4 with NO GK at U8. U9 and U10 7v7 with GK. I can see academy leagues falling in line in 2016 just not the select leagues

I have the paperwork so the facts are as above, its just whether the leagues will implement this in 2016 is the ifs ands or buts
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Post by SD69 on 22/07/15, 11:17 am

Triumph FC wrote:Very Happy
No one is living on a hope and prayer. I know change is coming everyone knows change is coming. LH, API and PPL HAVE to make the change for it to happen in 2016. 2017 they HAVE to change........that makes sense for them to change in 2 years not 1
Academy leagues will be 4v4 with NO GK at U8. U9 and U10 7v7 with GK. I can see academy leagues falling in line in 2016 just not the select leagues

I have the paperwork so the facts are as above, its just whether the leagues will implement this in 2016 is the ifs ands or buts
A goalkeeper who can't punt, only pass the ball out. There will also be build out lines the the defense can't cross while the keeper has the ball. I thought this was interesting.
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Post by Guest on 22/07/15, 11:17 am

you pose an interesting quesion on the academy side...

i see how the NTSSA sanctioned leagues will have to only offer 4v4 for the Ulittles, but do you see say SDL, Primetime which are US Club keeping 7v7/8v8/9v9 for the Ulittles since no one can make US Club implement calendar year or playing formats or can USSF impact them also?

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Post by Triumph FC on 22/07/15, 11:19 am

US Club will follow the mandate
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Post by Guest on 22/07/15, 11:22 am

Also, Mr. Triumph if you read the power point the have distributed they go so far as to show everyone how to mark the fields so that full size fields can be used to hold small sided fields.

multi-use fields, so you can get two small sided fields out of one full sided field, etc...

so all it would require of the leagues for next fall is to simply add some different colored lines to their fields and poof, you have 9v9 for the 06s in Fall of 2016.

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Post by Triumph FC on 22/07/15, 11:40 am

Don't start using poof to an Englishman! Very Happy
Yes I've always known about field sizes and how it can be implemented but it also involves new goals for U11 and U12
Again the only question that needs to be answered is......will the leagues start 9v9 in 2016 or 2017 that's the be all and end all. That's something I cant answer right now
I will say this.....my confident told me that the age pure will not effect teams already in select......just an FYI
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Post by Zizou on 22/07/15, 11:57 am

SD69 wrote:
Triumph FC wrote:Very Happy
No one is living on a hope and prayer. I know change is coming everyone knows change is coming. LH, API and PPL HAVE to make the change for it to happen in 2016. 2017 they HAVE to change........that makes sense for them to change in 2 years not 1
Academy leagues will be 4v4 with NO GK at U8. U9 and U10 7v7 with GK. I can see academy leagues falling in line in 2016 just not the select leagues

I have the paperwork so the facts are as above, its just whether the leagues will implement this in 2016 is the ifs ands or buts
A goalkeeper who can't punt, only pass the ball out. There will also be build out lines the the defense can't cross while the keeper has the ball. I thought this was interesting.
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These changes are a step in the right direction!

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Post by Zizou on 22/07/15, 12:02 pm

Now it is important to get the referees to call the games tighter and no direct free kicks. Quick play in to keep the game moving. Foul accumulations against teams with penalty shots as a consequence.

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Post by Guest on 22/07/15, 12:08 pm

Stole this from the Socal forum, no need to reinvente the wheel... possible means of implementation(adjusted from socal to reflect current NTX standards)

If Current Standards are Grandfathered:
2016
U8 - 4v4
U9 - 9v9
U10 - 9v9
U11 - 9v9
U12 - 11v11
U13+ - 11v11

2017
U8 - 4v4
U9 - 7v7
U10 - 9v9
U11 - 9v9
U12 - 9v9
U13+ - 11v11

2018
U8 - 4v4
U9 - 7v7
U10 - 7v7
U11 - 9v9
U12 - 9v9
U13+- 11v11

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Post by MrRogers on 22/07/15, 01:09 pm

I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again… These rules are just dumb and will not address core issues with quality youth soccer in America (which at last check is trending up).

Not ALL players need the remedial development path.  We had girls at U-10 who could cross ball mid post on corners on full size field… Is this everyone? No… but top players/teams can and do play it correctly.
If the goal is to emphasize more small sided play… again top players/teams ARE doing plenty of small sided play in practice, futsal, and small sided tournaments. I would argue that these same players are involved in more small sided play than full as it is today.

If you want to further improve quality of US soccer vs. world address the pay to play system…. That is a bigger issue than requiring 10 year olds to throw a ball from goal with their hands and keep defenders from crossing magic lines. Yea, let’s put off teaching proper play for another 2-3 years… that won’t cause regression in US soccer… RIGHT! (Sarcasm)

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Post by Blues Fan on 22/07/15, 01:20 pm

SD69 wrote:
Triumph FC wrote:Very Happy
No one is living on a hope and prayer. I know change is coming everyone knows change is coming. LH, API and PPL HAVE to make the change for it to happen in 2016. 2017 they HAVE to change........that makes sense for them to change in 2 years not 1
Academy leagues will be 4v4 with NO GK at U8. U9 and U10 7v7 with GK. I can see academy leagues falling in line in 2016 just not the select leagues

I have the paperwork so the facts are as above, its just whether the leagues will implement this in 2016 is the ifs ands or buts
A goalkeeper who can't punt, only pass the ball out. There will also be build out lines the the defense can't cross while the keeper has the ball. I thought this was interesting.

Wow, building out of the back, what a novel idea! Wonder how all of the "Boot it! Clear it! Get it out of there! coaches and parents will react to that new wrinkle. It might make them pass it out on a goal kick but it won't change their kick ball ways in the regular run of play. It's too important to win a 9yr old game than it is to teach the kids how to pass out of pressure.

Triumph, I'm hearing per NTSSA, the 9v9 will be implemented in the 06 age group. As for the calendar year, NTSSA hasn't made a decision on that front yet. But that's just rumor.
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Post by Guest on 22/07/15, 01:28 pm

So simply taking away the ability of the suburbanites to write checks the others can't will make the change to affect improvement.

Silly, just silly...

There are multiple issues at play here and all need to be corrected to see the improvement we could see.

The yedlin case being looked at now could have said impact on the pay to play system. COULD.... problem is the clubs would need to start churning out more pro caliber players on the MEN'S side...

Hope I didn't just open up the equality can of worms.

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Post by timmyh on 22/07/15, 01:38 pm

The bombshell here is that the document clearly states that Calendar Year will be implemented for ALL AGES. Previous speculation was that older teams would be grandfathered in.
Clearly, grandfathering might not happen and shakeup is on the horizon. If the document is accurate, then there are some major changes to almost all teams headed down the pipeline within the next 12 months. Oh man, I can't wait to hear the wailing from those with kids who have benefitted from the Aug-Dec birthdays. :-)

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Post by Futbol79 on 22/07/15, 01:50 pm

timmyh wrote:The bombshell here is that the document clearly states that Calendar Year will be implemented for ALL AGES.  Previous speculation was that older teams would be grandfathered in.
Clearly, grandfathering might not happen and shakeup is on the horizon.  If the document is accurate, then there are some major changes to almost all teams headed down the pipeline within the next 12 months.  Oh man, I can't wait to hear the wailing from those with kids who have benefitted from the Aug-Dec birthdays.  :-)

Yes, it will harm the girls (short term) who are small for their current age group born Aug-Dec. Luckily, the girls on the most competitive teams have already been playing up against older girls, and should be able to adjust. Your comment was completely unnecessary.

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Post by Futbol79 on 22/07/15, 02:14 pm

The stressful challenge for Aug-Dec '06 born girls will be whether this means they go select next summer/fall, or whether they scramble to find a team the year after, which would mean lower division options for qualifying or trying to find spots on established teams.....right?? I hope NTSSA provides guidance soon, as this is confusing for this particular group, more than the younger girls, for sure.

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Post by soccerjack on 22/07/15, 02:24 pm

timmyh wrote:The bombshell here is that the document clearly states that Calendar Year will be implemented for ALL AGES.  Previous speculation was that older teams would be grandfathered in.
Clearly, grandfathering might not happen and shakeup is on the horizon.  If the document is accurate, then there are some major changes to almost all teams headed down the pipeline within the next 12 months.  Oh man, I can't wait to hear the wailing from those with kids who have benefitted from the Aug-Dec birthdays.  :-)



I always thought those kids were gaming the system...bout time someone did something about those little cheaters.
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Post by Lyin Ted on 22/07/15, 02:28 pm

 Oh man, I can't wait to hear the wailing from those with kids who have benefitted from the Aug-Dec birthdays.  :-)
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My DDd has played more games up than at age at this time of her life. It matters how you look at it. It all evens out when they get to high school anyways.

I personally cannot stand that we cannot play up anymore since the 05's are select. If my DD was a January-July birthday I personally would be a happier dad.

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Post by Guest on 22/07/15, 02:32 pm

Ah, high school soccer... because that's where all the scouts are! Very Happy

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Post by Lyin Ted on 22/07/15, 02:37 pm

LaLiga06 wrote:Ah, high school soccer... because that's where all the scouts are! Very Happy

College scouting is a different conversation. I am talking about the kids age. Surprised


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Post by Futbol79 on 22/07/15, 04:45 pm

soccerjack wrote:
timmyh wrote:The bombshell here is that the document clearly states that Calendar Year will be implemented for ALL AGES.  Previous speculation was that older teams would be grandfathered in.
Clearly, grandfathering might not happen and shakeup is on the horizon.  If the document is accurate, then there are some major changes to almost all teams headed down the pipeline within the next 12 months.  Oh man, I can't wait to hear the wailing from those with kids who have benefitted from the Aug-Dec birthdays.  :-)


I always thought those kids were gaming the system...bout time someone did something about those little cheaters.


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Post by Dread Pirate on 23/07/15, 11:03 am

Seems to me that the critical issue - even for 2017 implementation is decisive and immediate communication from NTX. OK - so small sided and year pure is a coming reality - no one really likes change, but the change can be handled if we have some idea on what change is coming. For me the main issue is whether NTX is going to rip the band aid off and have all teams reform / realign throughout (seems unlikely - but certainly a possibility), or are they going to supergroup an age group and if so which one? If implementation is 2017, the signs seem to point to supergrouping the 07s (Aug 1 06 - Dec 31 07), that makes the most sense given the timing. Are there any facts out there yet on implementation, or just rumors, confidential informants and speculation?

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Post by timmyh on 23/07/15, 11:10 am

Dread Pirate wrote:Seems to me that the critical issue - even for 2017 implementation is decisive and immediate communication from NTX.  OK - so small sided and year pure is a coming reality - no one really likes change, but the change can be handled if we have some idea on what change is coming.  For me the main issue is whether NTX is going to rip the band aid off and have all teams reform / realign throughout (seems unlikely - but certainly a possibility), or are they going to supergroup an age group and if so which one?  If implementation is 2017, the signs seem to point to supergrouping the 07s (Aug 1 06 - Dec 31 07), that makes the most sense given the timing.  Are there any facts out there yet on implementation, or just rumors, confidential informants and speculation?

Per the socal conversation, it appears that there are no supergroups and no grandfathering. It doesn't start with the '07s. ALL AGES will move to calendar year in 2017.

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