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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 04:46 am

06southgirl wrote:I think we should all start betting!!!!!!  

Based on what I am hearing, my $s say the 9v9 change starts with 06s and the age change does not start until later (maybe much later). I tend to believe what I am hearing, because common sense regarding the impact of these two changes would say the same..

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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 06:08 am

Every age group would have the same argument would they not?

There is one thing that is known... a vote is coming. Any DOC coming on here and saying it WILL not happen is incorrect.

They have to vote.

My money is what we see playing out is an attempt to keep the chaos from happening until it is official. Hope those coaches are planning for it, since they were encouraged to do so.

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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 06:20 am

I don’t think anyone said a vote wasn’t coming and I highly doubt any DOC is on here saying anything.

But to your question, yes every age group would have the same argument about the impact of the age change for their particular kid and for what that means related to playing with classmates.

But no it does not have the same impact for every age group. If you make the age change effective for 06- you raise questions for what that means for 05’s and you divide teams from 05s all the way down the line. You also likely impact all of the NTX rec association teams. If you make the change effective 10’s for example you impact fewer teams, kids, coaches & clubs. Then everything following 10s would be built with those age charts (i.e. no impact). That is why I think common sense will prevail here, but hey we will see in July I guess.

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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 06:27 am

I could be wrong, but isn't the Triumph poster the DOC of Triumph FC, and the head coach of both 06 Triumph squads?

I look at this from the top down.  It was USSF that got this whole ball rolling.  USSF wants to see results on the National level. National Teams... start with the youngest of ages and it's 2 decades before they begin to see the fruits of the change....

I understand the blinders being put on, and for good reason, but step back and look at the bigger picture from the top down and why the change is wanted and you see its not about what makes logical sense for the local associations.  

From the NTX bylaws...

2.10.5 Amendments to Bylaws
These Bylaws may be altered, amended or repealed, or new Bylaws may be adopted, at any meeting of the Association at which a quorum is present by a two-thirds (2/3) vote of the total present membership; provided, however, that all members have been given twenty-one (21) days written notice or electronic notice, including a written or electronic copy of the proposed changes.

2.10.6    Who May Propose Bylaw Changes and Amendments
Any proposal to amend the Bylaws or add new Bylaws may be made only by Executive Officers of Member Associations, NTSSA Executive Officers and properly constituted committees of NTSSA. Changes submitted by a member of a properly constituted committee must pertain to the duties and scope of that committee.  Any proposed changes must be submitted to the Bylaws, Rules and Regulation Committee on the proper form ninety (90) days prior to the next meeting of this association for review and distribution to the membership within the allotted time required in Rule 2.10.5.




So communication has/will be sent out for review by the members as stated above...

How often is the most logical action taken anyways in NTX? LOL


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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 06:50 am

BFC wrote:With the decision coming down in July, most quality 05' teams likely will only have 1-2 available spots. I can only imagine the backlash from what would average a third of 06' parents.

The 9v9 option could start with the 06' group without complication. The age pure would need to be implemented with plenty of time for club to prepare and to avoid total chaos. I can't wrap my head around only chosen clubs having the bennifit of receiving word of the change prior to the vote. I would think it would have to be stated publicly to keep from further chaos. Notifying only a handful of clubs which would lead to an unfair advantage, could result in lawsuits.

2.10.7 Lawsuits Against the Association
Any person who files a lawsuit or invokes the aid of the courts on their own behalf or as the representative for another person against NTSSA, or its officers, employees, or members or representatives of any of its officers, employees, or members, shall be subject to the sanction of immediate suspension from membership and from all soccer activities within the jurisdiction of NTSSA and its affiliates. NTSSA may also elect to subject a person who threatens to file a lawsuit or who threatens to invoke the aid of the courts to the same sanctions of suspension. NTSSA adopts the policy that it is allowed to take full advantage of rights permitted to it by the laws of the State of Texas for “Not-for-Profit” organizations.

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Post by 06Southgirl on 16/04/15, 06:53 am

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06southgirl wrote:I think we should all start betting!!!!!!  

Based on what I am hearing, my $s say the 9v9 change starts with 06s and the age change does not start until later (maybe much later).  I tend to believe what I am hearing, because common sense regarding the impact of these two changes would say the same..

I am going with 9v9 and birth year summer of 2016
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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 07:04 am

06southgirl wrote:
bigtex wrote:
06southgirl wrote:I think we should all start betting!!!!!!  

Based on what I am hearing, my $s say the 9v9 change starts with 06s and the age change does not start until later (maybe much later).  I tend to believe what I am hearing, because common sense regarding the impact of these two changes would say the same..

I am going with 9v9 and birth year summer of 2016

So for the record 06SG, birth year summer of 2016 effective which age group?

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Post by 06Southgirl on 16/04/15, 07:06 am

Yes that is what my bet is.   Meaning effective come league play fall 2016.

Edited after I reread your question.   ........ effective with the 06s
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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 07:09 am

It has to start with an age gr...oh never mind.....

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Post by 06Southgirl on 16/04/15, 07:11 am

bigtex wrote:It has to start with an age gr...oh never mind.....

You beat me to my post before I Editted mine.
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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 07:16 am

OK so then 05s currently playing with 06s would have to find a select team after signing day....ouch Very Happy

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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 07:19 am

bigtex wrote:OK so then 05s currently playing with 06s would have to find a select team after signing day....ouch Very Happy

You don't seem to follow what is about to play out...

Whatever happens will be announced this summer. A full year before the current 06s go select. So any current 06 that is a calendar year 05 would have a full year before contract time to decide how to proceed.

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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 07:27 am

Oh so the 05s playing 06s get a decision...and what would the choices be exactly?

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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 07:31 am

bigtex wrote:Oh so the 05s playing 06s get a decision...and what would the choices be exactly?

That will depend on how NTX/Lake Highlands decides to implement any changes decided on....

I think two options...

1. try out for an 05 squad that is already established
2. Stay with their current squad because the majority of the current squad was filled with mostly calendar 05s to begin with..

Just looking at the top 6 or so of the '06s... those squads are all full of calendar 05s...

I believe you are an 07 parent Bigtex... how many of the top 07 squads are made up of mostly calendar 06s? You will probably find the same...

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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 07:36 am

To make this at all fair and doable, it would have to start with age groups that are a year or two away from select.

If they do decide to impact the 05/06 kids, they should do away with the arbitrary rule that kids can't play up their first year of select. If an 06 is good enough to stay with their 05 team, for example, they should be able to. From what I am hearing players would likely be allowed to play up and stay on current teams, if the age cutoff change happens.

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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 07:45 am

I am an 02, 04, 07 and 10 parent.  All of mine would be impacted differently by this so as it relates to the age chart I don't really care.  Does anyone really think changing the age chart improves play at the national level in itself?  To me this is just more about realignment..

If I read your options for the 05s playing 06s....all options would mean they would have to forfeit one full year of development at some point, no?

I am sure most top teams are built on August-December birth years...

But to be clear you are saying that the first year of select the 05s playing 06 would either have to sign with an 05 team after signing day this year or have the team start a new team and cut the 06s and play select this year or play with 06s all next year and then become an 05 pure team and in all these sceneries the players would give up one full year of development ?

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Post by 06Southgirl on 16/04/15, 07:53 am

bigtex wrote:I am an 02, 04, 07 and 10 parent.  All of mine would be impacted differently by this so as it relates to the age chart I don't really care.  Does anyone really think changing the age chart improves play at the national level in itself?  To me this is just more about realignment..

If I read your options for the 05s playing 06s....all options would mean they would have to forfeit one full year of development at some point, no?

I am sure most top teams are built on August-December birth years...

But to be clear you are saying that the first year of select the 05s playing 06 would either have to sign with an 05 team after signing day this year or have the team start a new team and cut the 06s and play select this year or play with 06s all next year and then become an 05 pure team and in all these sceneries the players would give up one full year of development ?

A good reason for big clubs to be planning now so they can have those 05s train with current 05s even if they can't play LH next year
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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 07:56 am

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If I read your options for the 05s playing 06s....all options would mean they would have to forfeit one full year of development at some point, no?
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This reminds me of the daylight savings debate.  Our DDs will not lose or gain a year of development.

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Post by Triumph FC on 16/04/15, 07:57 am

Soccerfan79 wrote:Every age group would have the same argument would they not?

There is one thing that is known... a vote is coming.  Any DOC coming on here and saying it WILL not happen is incorrect.  

They have to vote.

My money is what we see playing out is an attempt to keep the chaos from happening until it is official.  Hope those coaches are planning for it, since they were encouraged to do so.

If you are referring to me. I didn't say it WILL NOT happen. My source said it will not effect the 06's so plan on it being 11v11. So seeing as I coach an 06 team why would I plan to 9v9 after being told that? I'm not naming my source but they would be the first to know if changes were going to happen
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I also wanted to add the USSF have not voted on it yet so North Texas are not going to vote on it until USSF do then it would take a year or two for it to be mandatory hence being told it won't effect the 06's


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Post by Guest on 16/04/15, 08:01 am

06southgirl wrote:
bigtex wrote:I am an 02, 04, 07 and 10 parent.  All of mine would be impacted differently by this so as it relates to the age chart I don't really care.  Does anyone really think changing the age chart improves play at the national level in itself?  To me this is just more about realignment..

If I read your options for the 05s playing 06s....all options would mean they would have to forfeit one full year of development at some point, no?

I am sure most top teams are built on August-December birth years...

But to be clear you are saying that the first year of select the 05s playing 06 would either have to sign with an 05 team after signing day this year or have the team start a new team and cut the 06s and play select this year or play with 06s all next year and then become an 05 pure team and in all these sceneries the players would give up one full year of development ?


A good reason for big clubs to be planning now so they can have those 05s train with current 05s even if they can't play LH next year

How does that get their development year back?

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Post by 06Southgirl on 16/04/15, 08:02 am

bigtex wrote:
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bigtex wrote:I am an 02, 04, 07 and 10 parent.  All of mine would be impacted differently by this so as it relates to the age chart I don't really care.  Does anyone really think changing the age chart improves play at the national level in itself?  To me this is just more about realignment..

If I read your options for the 05s playing 06s....all options would mean they would have to forfeit one full year of development at some point, no?

I am sure most top teams are built on August-December birth years...

But to be clear you are saying that the first year of select the 05s playing 06 would either have to sign with an 05 team after signing day this year or have the team start a new team and cut the 06s and play select this year or play with 06s all next year and then become an 05 pure team and in all these sceneries the players would give up one full year of development ?


A good reason for big clubs to be planning now so they can have those 05s train with current 05s even if they can't play LH next year

How does that get their development year back?

I am a parent who would rather miss a game than a practice.
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Post by boilerjoe_96 on 16/04/15, 08:14 am

Soccerfan79 wrote:

I believe you are an 07 parent Bigtex... how many of the top 07 squads are made up of mostly calendar 06s?  You will probably find the same...

Of the top 07 teams I have seen ages for, 75% are fall 06 Bdays... When my dd was on RASE she was youngest with a March Bday, team had a couple Jan bdays in there, rest 06s. Another team appears similar.
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Post by Triumph FC on 16/04/15, 08:16 am

Soccerfan79 wrote:
bigtex wrote:OK so then 05s currently playing with 06s would have to find a select team after signing day....ouch Very Happy

You don't seem to follow what is about to play out...

Whatever happens will be announced this summer.  A full year before the current 06s go select.  So any current 06 that is a calendar year 05 would have a full year before contract time to decide how to proceed.

The USSF have NOT voted on this so why would NTSSA vote on something that might or might not yet happen. Until USSF mandate it then it won't happen. I'm a staff coach at US Soccer so when they tell me it's going to happen I will act on it until then North Texas will be as normal
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http://www.eysa.org/doclib/2015%2002%20Feb%2026%20WA%20YS%20Note%20on%20Potential%20Changes%20to%20U12%20format.pdf

This is from another State Association
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Triumph FC wrote:http://www.eysa.org/doclib/2015%2002%20Feb%2026%20WA%20YS%20Note%20on%20Potential%20Changes%20to%20U12%20format.pdf

This is from another State Association

Triumph delivering the coup de grâce

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Triumph FC wrote:http://www.eysa.org/doclib/2015%2002%20Feb%2026%20WA%20YS%20Note%20on%20Potential%20Changes%20to%20U12%20format.pdf

This is from another State Association

And this is from another that went ahead and made the change... to be ahead of the curve... what a concept.

http://www.pugetsoundpremierleague.com/home/862668.html

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