LH QT Seeding

DDsdadforsoccer wrote:It looks like they moved A and B  to be the three team groups from F.  If that is the case the seeding would be something like.

A B C D E F G
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
14 13 12 11 10 9 8
26 25 19 18 17 16 15
24 23 22 21 20

Not sure if there are as many questions if you look at it from the method above.  Maybe someone at Lake Highland could let us know if this is the method that was used.  Or if we are close.  This also seems to make more sense as therr is not as many head issues that Tika head highlighted based on the positions in the respective leagues.  

1 TEXAS REDSTAR
2 AFC 01 RED 
3 AZTECS FC LADY AZTECS FC 01 
4 STING FT. WORTH '01 (O'KEEFE) 
5 KICKS SC DALLAS KICKS BLUE SC 01 
6 FRISCO FUSION 01G 
7 NTX STRIKERS 01 BLUE 
8 LIVERPOOL FC AMERICA 01 GIRLS KEEGAN 
9 ODYSSEY SC 01 GIRLS 
10 FC DALLAS WEST TEXAS '01G-RAMIREZ 
11 VITESSE DALLAS 01G 
12 SOLAR CHELSEA 01G NAVY 
13 FC DALLAS 01G BLUE 
14 INFINITY FC 01 GIRLS 
15 MUTINY FC 01G
16 DALLAS TEXANS 01 GIRLS SOUTH 
17 ANDROMEDA FC 01G BLUE (PREVIOUS TFC 01G WHITE) 
18 AFC 01 G WHITE 
19 HPSA SCOTS 01G (PRV RAIDERS) 
20 TEXAS LIGHTNING 01G WHT 
21 CELTIC 01 
22 FORT WORTH FC 01G RED
23 TEXAS SPIRIT NORTH RED 01
24 ANDROMEDA FC 01G RED
25 FORNEY SC 01 GIRLS
26 MEJA WILLIAMS 01 GIRLS

Looks like the seeding from 1-8 was perfect. (Again as it should favor the top teams) Where I think they may have underseed teams like 23,24,25,26 considering their results. (But then again most don't really worry about the bottom of the bracket anyway) Most competivive bracket seemed to be Bracket B with no team dominating any other team. But hats off to the seeding comittee they got the top 8 perfect. AFC Red as a number 2 seed probably had the most work based to do based on the teams they had to play. Redstar, Infinty and even they Meja team gave them a little tussle. Depending on brackets I would look at them as a team that will find a way out of next week, along with Redstar and the Strikers. The fourth spot either to kicks blue or Aztecs depending again on the bracket split. So after all this weekend the haves still have it. With maybe only one non-lake highland team joining the party. I was 7/8 but then again I just tried to use the seeding trusting LH to get the cream correct which they did onward to next week.

DDsdadforsoccer wrote:Looks like the seeding from 1-8 was perfect.

Was it? Did LP Keegan get the wild card? Gotsoccer does not show the HP Scots score.

Sweeper wrote:

DDsdadforsoccer wrote:Looks like the seeding from 1-8 was perfect.

Was it?  Did LP Keegan get the wild card?  Gotsoccer does not show the HP Scots score.  

LP did get the wildcard. 0-0 was the score from Scots vs Andro game.

My take on Rd 2 seeding:

Redstar
Frisco Fusion
Kicks
LP (or HP Scotts...when ever the score is posted)

Strikers
Aztecs
Sting
AFC

Just checked, I think wild card is Infinity.

Infinity had 16 pts, out of 41 total pts.   = 39%  
LP had 20 pts, out of 59 total pts.  = 33.9%

• highest percentile of points = total points/total possible bracket points.
• total possible points in round is the sum total of all points scored in a team’s bracket.

What kind of crazy talk is that scafone?
20pts beats all 2nd place finishers LP is in

I dunno. This chit makes my head hurt! 

Joe scafone wrote:I dunno.  This chit makes my head hurt! 

  

interesting how the top 8 prevailed. Props to the committee that ranked the teams. Now who will be the top 4...i guess it all depends on how the brackets are set up...but here is my prediction:
1. Redstar
2. Nt Strikers
3. LP Keegan
4. Lady Aztecs
5. Frisco Fusion
6. AFC
7. Kicks
8. Sting O'keefe

Joe scafone wrote:Infinity had 16 pts, out of 41 total pts.   = 39%  
LP had 20 pts, out of 59 total pts.  = 33.9%

• highest percentile of points = total points/total possible bracket points.
• total possible points in round is the sum total of all points scored in a team’s bracket.

if im not mistaken, all teams played 3 games...correct? So top point getters in...i think you take percentage if a team plays one less game...

All teams played equal amount of games uncle Joe so total possible points would be same even for the cross bracket teams. Can't throw out game just because they are in 3 team bracket, why play a cross bracket game if it doesn't count toward outcome? That logic is from crazy town and we are all full up on crazy here.

From the rule books

The top two teams in each bracket will qualify for the league in Division III. All other teams are
eliminated.
• highest percentile of points = total points/total possible bracket points.
• total possible points in round is the sum total of all points scored in a team’s bracket.

The games played are the same for all teams the totals possible points ergo are the same being in a three team bracket conveys no special treatment

APato wrote:The games played are the same for all teams the totals possible points ergo are the same being in a three team bracket conveys no special treatment

You can argue it any way you want it. Rules are rules man.  

If this is true, Liverpool got robbed.

They played some great soccer this weekend. Definitely LH quality.

Mia Hamster wrote:If this is true, Liverpool got robbed.

They played some great soccer this weekend.  Definitely LH quality.

Agreed

If LH follows their own rules, the brackets should look like this:

Bracket A
Redstar
Sting FTW
Kicks Blue
Liverpool

Bracket B
AFC Red
Lady Aztecs
Strikers Blue
Frisco Fusion

Again, brackets point are the same that is why the 3 team brackets had to play a cross bracket teamto make the number of games played by all teams equal so total possible points for all teams are equal. If not, why even play a cross bracket game to begin with if there was no point to the game or that it didn't impact the outcome

Makes no sense to me,if that is truly the way it gets calculated cross bracket games count for nothing?

Okay, so maybe the combined the two brackets together then. So, here there would be 80 total points. With 80 total, then they would have 16/80 = 20%.     

Bracket A, Bracket B
Team 1 Team 2 Team 3 Team 4 Team 5 Team 6 Points
001) TEXAS REDSTAR 01G 2-0 7-0 n/a 3-0 n/a 29
002) AFC 01 RED 0-2 n/a 1-0 n/a 2-0 17
003) FC DALLAS 01G BLUE 0-7 n/a 1-2 0-2 n/a 1
004) INFINITY FC 01 GIRLS n/a 0-1 2-1 n/a 1-0 16
005) FORNEY SC 01 GIRLS 0-3 n/a 2-0 n/a 0-1 9
006) MEJA WILLIAMS 01 GIRLS n/a 0-2 n/a 0-1 1-0 8

I supposoe we just have to wait and see what is posted by LH

All on this board believe that Redstar was playing the best soccer. AFC Red as a two seed had to play Redstar. So if AFC Red lost to Infinity 1 nil. vs the other way AFC Red would be eliminated if it was straight points. With only one wild card you have an issue of trying to figure out the strength of the schedule and the percentage of available points sort of does that. If your in a weaker bracket that allows two 10 point games vs playing in a competive bracket in trying to figure out the wild card it makes sense that Infinity gets it in my mind. For those that question the fairness I would love to see what would of happend head to head Infintiy vs LP in a wild card playoff. Some on this board earlier were saying Infinity were seeded to low to begin with. Having watched way too much soccer this weekend seeing most of the teams play. Head to head I think Infinity would win that playoff sorry LP great side and probably deserves it as well they played wonderful this weekend as well from the parts that I saw.

With only one wildcard this whole process this year was going to be tough. 26 team 18 go so long. Leaves to seeding effected the wild card process with only one. Maybe their should have been some more wild cards. However, when I look at it at the end of the day a lot of teams are saying what if and could of should of mess. The best 8 teams throught the rules that exist and the play on the field found a way to get thorugh the first weekend. It ended up being close to the way LH seed it. The top 8 seedings were earned over a year of play. To get a spot in LH you have to earn it. To get higher seeds you have to earn it.

It was a fun tourney and good luck to the final four survivers next week. For my dislikers of PPL. It ain't all that bad. For the dislikers of me. I'll call it like I see it. We tried got close lost and will try again. Infininty and AFC Red. Great matches this weekend hoping you do well next week and both get in. ( Not only because it proves my point but because both teams played well and handled themselves approrpiately on the pitch) BTW I'd love to scrimmage both of you guys any day after you get into LH. In about a month or so.

i thought they should of had 4 brackets of 4...taken 16 teams to round 2...re-seed them based on round 1 performance and then let the top 4 in....that seemed simple to me...to take 8 out of 26...you are certain to leave out a few good teams who got bad draws in first round....but, can't complain about that now...looks like the top 8 prevailed anyways...but if LP gets left off, that is wrong...they are obviously one of the top 4 teams right now..NT strikers maybe the #1 team in this tourney.

Marvelousmar wrote:All on this board believe that Redstar was playing the best soccer.  AFC Red as a two seed had to play Redstar.  So if AFC Red lost to Infinity 1 nil.  vs the other way AFC Red would be eliminated if it was straight points.  With only one wild card you have an issue of trying to figure out the strength of the schedule and the percentage of available points sort of does that.  If your in a weaker bracket that allows two 10 point games vs playing in a competive bracket in trying to figure out the wild card it makes sense that Infinity gets it in my mind.  For those that question the fairness I would love to see what would of happend head to head Infintiy vs LP in a wild card playoff.  Some on this board earlier were saying Infinity were seeded to low to begin with.  Having watched way too much soccer this weekend seeing most of the teams play.  Head to head I think Infinity would win that playoff sorry LP great side and probably deserves it as well they played wonderful this weekend as well from the parts that I saw.  

With only one wildcard this whole process this year was going to be tough.  26 team 18 go so long.  Leaves to seeding effected the wild card process with only one.  Maybe their should have been some more wild cards.  However, when I look at it at the end of the day a lot of teams are saying what if and could of should of mess.  The best 8 teams throught the rules that exist and the play on the field found a way to get thorugh the first weekend.  It ended up being close to the way LH seed it. The top 8 seedings were earned over a year of play.  To get a spot in LH you have to earn it.  To get higher seeds you have to earn it.  

It was a fun tourney and good luck to the final four survivers next week.  For my dislikers of PPL.  It ain't all that bad. For the dislikers of me.  I'll call it like I see it.  We tried got close lost and will try again.  Infininty and AFC Red.  Great matches this weekend hoping you do well next week and both get in.  ( Not only because it proves my point but because both teams played well and handled themselves approrpiately on the pitch)  BTW I'd love to scrimmage both of you guys any day after you get into LH.  In about a month or so.

If a team makes it all the way into D3 on a technicality or by the "skin of their teeth", I almost feel sorry for them in respect to the fall season they are likely to experience. Some have mentioned watching very good play in this QT over the past weekend. I clearly didn't get to see those matches... but wish I had. On the contrary, I saw a lot of long-ball, passing with no intent, kicking the ball out of bounds repeatedly instead of trying to work out of pressure (even deliberately giving up corner kicks), missing easy scoring opportunities, the inability to regularly string together more than around 4 passes in a row, formations that looked more like 7v7 soccer (bunching up), et cetera.

Philosophically, I believe most of the teams that did not make it through will be far better off in PPL so they can continue to work on their games. Those making it through with commanding performances (e.g. winning all of their games by multiple goals) will probably be okay should they break into LH D3. But in my opinion, there are some going into week two that have simply not been taught - or have failed to grasp - the most basic of soccer skills and tactics. Good luck to the 4 teams that eventually make it through. My hope is it will be those groups that play quality soccer so that LH D3 becomes better with their addition.

And now back to the original topic... If all teams played equal number of games, (3) and those games outcomes decided bracket winners. Why isn't the same logic applied again to the wild card winner, based on points. The 3 team brackets aren't just 3 teams and they didn't play just two games in their brackets. They played 3 games, one against a cross bracket team. So logic would dictate all teams have equal number of total points. Ergo the percentage results would be same across all teams inclusive of out of bracket game to get to equal total number of games per bracket based on Scafones post. It doesn't make sense to throughout a game because u are in a three team bracket when considering results, if you us that logic then are the bracket winners really the bracket winners in 3 team brackets if only in bracket games are considered